Monday, February 25, 2008

More on the Vietnames flag protest

A brief video of IVC's SSC flag issue:

.....It turns out, OC Reg reporters read Dissent. Marlo Jo Fisher has been working on the “flag” story today, and, well, here it is:

Vietnamese flag removed at Irvine Valley College:
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Irvine Valley College officials have removed a colorful flag display in the atrium of the student center here, after threats of a large-scale protest from the local expatriate Vietnamese community over the flag depicting the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.
.....The 144 miniature flags have hung from the second floor atrium for many years without controversy, in a gesture designed to symbolize the diversity of its student body.
.....On Thursday, college officials removed the display that has hung for a decade, in the wake of threats that busloads of protesters could arrive to disrupt the campus, if the Vietnamese flag were not removed.
....."We wanted to be considerate and represent the diverse population at IVC," campus spokeswoman Diane Oaks said Monday. "We are developing an alternate method of expression."
.....Westminster Councilman Andy Quash and Garden Grove Councilwoman Dina Nguyen said they met with college officials on Wednesday, after receiving calls from numerous constituents about the flag display.
....."We reminded them that in 1999, in the city of Westminster, that flag hung in a video store led to a 49-day protest peaking at 50,000 people," Quash said. "I'm sure the college hung the flag without realizing it is very provocative to certain students."
.....Nearly two months of protests in early 1999 were ignited after a video store owner put up a Socialist Republic of Vietnam flag and a poster of Ho Chi Minh in his window.
.....Thousands of protesters demonstrated between January and March over the issue, which led to court battles over the owner's right to display the symbols even though they were causing a public disturbance.
.....Nearly 5 percent of IVC's students are Vietnamese-American, Oaks said.
.....Nguyen said she had been contacted by several constituents, and she agreed with them that the flag should come down.
....."It's offensive because this flag represents a regime that is very dictatorial and does not respect human rights," Nguyen said. "It is not democratic, and that is why a lot of Vietnamese Americans are here as refugees. To see that being honored, well, millions of people lost their lives over that flag."
.....College officials decided to remove all the flags, instead of merely the Vietnamese one, because of safety concerns. Occasionally, she said, students will swipe the flags, and the college was concerned about the safety of students leaning over a second-floor atrium wall to filch them.
.....The flags, initially purchased a decade ago by the student government, are in storage, Oaks said.
.....Student government vice president Matthew Contorelli, 23, said no one had notified him that the flags were being removed, but he supported the decision in retrospect.
....."It's the best way to keep a peaceful environment," Contorelli said.
.....Downstairs, in the college cafeteria, biology student Robert Fuller said he hadn't noticed the flags missing, but he would have left them up.
....."It's sort of bland out there now, when it was so colorful before," Fuller said about the two-story gray atrium.

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

Maybe you can invite one of the local cholos in to paint a colorful mural.

Anonymous said...

The Register article lists all the flags originally included in the display - yes, Cuba is there as well as Serbia and Montenegro and China.

Notably missing from the list (privided by IVC) is Mexico.

NOW - what's up with that?

Maybe I don't want to know.

Anonymous said...

Iran is missing too!

Anonymous said...

No Israel either!

Anonymous said...

But IVC is very forward thinking and flew the African-American Unity flag!

Jah rasta mon.

Anonymous said...

Where'd they even get that list? Since when do people keep lists at IVC? Hell, I don't even think they've got a list of buildings that's accurate.

Anonymous said...

What about Accreditation?

They have time to make decisions about flags but nary a peep about the Accreds threatening to pull our accreditation?

There's something wrong here.

Anonymous said...

I love how quickly the administration responds to outsiders - to hell with us but folks from the outside who have little stake here, well.

Don't you remember how Raghu likes to say "I'll have to look into it" - as a way to put people off?

Anonymous said...

Why don't the outsiders know about the 50% law non-compliance, the state of the colleges accredidation, administrator instability, etc etc etc? The colleges could go down the tubes and the press is reporting on flags??

Anonymous said...

Just wait until some cranks find out that the IVC bio dept teaches EVOLUTION - they'll get "offended" - threaten to protest and bye-bye Darwin.

Anonymous said...

Shhh, shhhh. You weren't supposed to notice they were gone! Shhhhh.

Anonymous said...

It's interesting who the adminstration will roll over for - and why.

woof, woof

arf

Anonymous said...

The list accompanying the Reg article also suggests that we were flying the Syrian flag (!) and, yes, the Mexican flag was a no-show.

What criteria was used, one wonders, to select the flags?

Anonymous said...

I demand that you remove the Vietnamese flag that you have posted on this blog!

Anonymous said...

Criteria?

You really think they had criteria?

Anonymous said...

"It's offensive because this flag represents a regime that is very dictatorial and does not respect human rights."

So, take down the US flag on campus, if you're going to be consistent.

Anonymous said...

They flew the Palestinian flag but not the Israeli flag?

Anonymous said...

But, but, but...isn't this a public institution of higher learning?

Rhetorical question, I know, but does anyone get my point? Anyone?

Anonymous said...

Idiots! don't you know, the press isn't covering the Accreditation "issue" and the district isn't acting on it because it is a NON-ISSUE. It doesn't really matter, it never has and it never will. Give it up. Go back to work.

Anonymous said...

All this giving in to the loudest protester; being afraid of standing up for the rights of majorities; mis-aligning priorities; worry about who takes offense at what... Isn't anyone aware that offense is in the eye of the beholder?

I'm surprised that the local media haven't investigated the spread of that horrible disease, gelatinous spine syndrom. Or is it just a chronic affliction now, infecting the majority?

Anonymous said...

If the flag of that 3rd world rat hole was so important, why didn't that bus load of protesters stay there and fight for it?...Not one of those assholes had the courage to fight for their county, yet they can swim over here and tell us how to set up flag displays...And hold us hostage in our own lobby..Our administration needs a backbone.

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