Saturday, February 6, 2010

Don Wagner celebrates his own money-grubbin’ self

About an hour ago, over at the always-mediocre OC Red County blog (AD 70 Watch: Wagner Leads The Field In Fundraising), Allan Bartlett notes a new press release from the Wagner campaign:

Wagner Leads Republican Field in Fundraising

Conservative leader posts top number of all candidates
Irvine, California – Don Wagner, founder of the Orange County chapter of the Federalist Society and president of the South Orange County Community College Board of Trustees, has announced his fundraising totals for his campaign to succeed Assemblyman Chuck DeVore, who is running for the U.S. Senate against liberal Barbara Boxer.

Wagner bested all other candidates in the race with $145,700 raised to date and $109,300 in the bank.

“I am running for the State Assembly because we need a conservative voice to succeed Chuck DeVore and a proven leader on budgetary issues,” said Wagner. “I will have the resources necessary to communicate our message of fiscal discipline and traditional values and I will work hard as a candidate and as a member of the Assembly. I will not be going to Sacramento to make friends or add a title to my resume, I am going to make change.” [?]

Don Wagner and his wife, Megan, and their three children live in Irvine. He is a graduate of UCLA and the University of California, Hastings College of Law. Don has been elected to three consecutive terms on the Board of Trustees of the South Orange County Community College District, and currently serves as the Board's president.
Bartlett then (mediocrely) opines:
These are decent numbers for Don, but I still can't believe any GOP candidates haven't "shock and awed" the field with better numbers. This is the 70th AD, one of the most Republican/richest ADs in CA. This race is still wide open. I see the three way field so far as pretty evenly balanced. Jerry [Amante] started out strong, but has fizzled out of late. Don has the most grassroots activists ready to help him, along with leading in the money chase, and Steven Choi has arguably the best name ID in the district.

I have a strong vested interest in this campaign because it is where I live. I want the strongest possible conservative/limited gov/reformer to get the GOP nomination. I'm pretty sure I've made up my mind who I am going to support. I will make a big announcement here at Red County before the local CRA endorsing convention on Feb 20th.
Gosh, we're on tenterhooks, almost.

It's semi-official: 77% of Republicans are flat stupid

Just in case you missed it: not long ago, the Daily Kos revealed the results of a poll of self-identified Republicans. As the blog explains:
The Daily Kos Republican Poll was conducted by Research 2000 from January 20 through January 31, 2010. A total of 2003 self identified Republicans were interviewed nationally by telephone. Those interviewed were selected by the random variation of the last four digits of telephone numbers, nationally.

The margin for error, according to standards customarily used by statisticians, is no more than plus or minus 2% percentage points. This means that there is a 95 percent probability that the "true" figure would fall within that range if the entire self identified Republican population were sampled. The margin for error is higher for any demographic subgroup, such as for gender or region.
Here’s one striking result (one of the 25 questions):

QUESTION: Should public school students be taught that the book of Genesis in the Bible explains how God created the world?
.............YES...... NO..... NOT SURE
All ...........77 .....15 .........8
Men .........79 .....14......... 7
Women..... 75 .....16.........9
White .......79 .....13......... 8
Other/... ...58 .....31......... 11
18-29 .......74 .....19......... 7
30-44 .......75 .....17......... 8
45-59 .......78 .....15......... 7
60+..........78 .....13......... 9
NE............70 .....23..........7
South........82 ......9.......... 9
MW ..........77 .....14......... 9
West........ 72 .....21......... 7
Def ..........78 .....14......... 8
Vote ........77 .....15......... 8
Not L .......76 .....18......... 6
Def Not.... 75..... 19......... 6
Not Sur ....75 .....19......... 6
So: 77% (give or take 2%) of Republicans think public school students should be taught, well, Creationism.

Wow.

Genesis: “And the LORD smelled a sweet savor”
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
. . .
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
. . .
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
. . .
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
. . .
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet [sic?] for him.
. . .
And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept; and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof. And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
. . .
And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth
. . .
Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, there went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
. . .
And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.
. . .
And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And the LORD smelled a sweet savor….
From Genesis, The Holy Bible: King James Version

Other results of the poll (of self-described Republicans):

• 58% either thought Obama wasn’t born in the U.S. or aren’t sure.
• 57% either think Obama “wants the terrorists to win” or aren’t sure.
• 76% either think ACORN “stole the 2008 election” or aren’t sure.
• 86% either think Sarah Palin is “more qualified to be President than Barack Obama” or aren’t sure.
• 64% either think Barack Obama “hates White people” or aren’t sure.
• 42% either think their “state should secede from the U.S.” or aren’t sure.

Comments:

Anonymous‬ said...
It's stupid to believe in the Bible?
9:34 PM, February 06, 2010

‪Anonymous‬ said...
It's stupid to imagine that the Bible - oh, well, nevermind.
10:04 PM

Anonymous‬ said...
Not to pick nits, but, exactly what does the book of Genesis explain, if not how God created the world? That's not to say it correctly explains, or scientifically explains, just that it explains. So, if there is to be any teaching of the Bible in school (say in a literature class, a comparative religion class, whatever), I think the majority of the 2,003 self-identifed Republicans are clearly right to say school kid should be taught that this is what the book of Genesis says. They should also be taught that War and Peace explains Napoleon's Russian adventure. Again, maybe not correctly, but that is what the book does. 

For a self proclaimed logician, Roy, your conclusion from the question polled, that Republicans believe "Creationism" should be taught, just doesn't follow. Focus. And lighten up.
10:49 PM

B. von Traven said...
10:49, Well, yes, it is possible that some of the self-described Republicans read the question as you suggest. 
You seem to ignore the manifest ambiguity of “explains” in the question, for surely the question can also be read as asking whether students should be taught that the Bible correctly explains how God created the world. I suspect that that is how it was read by most participants.

 After all, according to the poll,

 58% either thought Obama wasn’t born in the U.S. or aren’t sure. [!!!!]
 57% either think Obama “wants the terrorists to win” or aren’t sure. [!!!!]
 76% either think ACORN “stole the 2008 election” or aren’t sure. [!!!!]
 86% either think Sarah Palin is “more qualified to be President than Barack Obama” or aren’t sure. [!!!!]
 64% either think Barack Obama “hates White people” or aren’t sure. [!!!!]
 42% either think their “state should secede from the U.S.” or aren’t sure. [!!!!]

 Again, I say: stupid people.

 Also, I think you're a little tone deaf. The post was light-hearted, not heavy. I don't really think these people are "flat stupid." They're just stunningly, appallingly ignorant.

 I.e., "stupid people."
11:22 PM

‪Anonymous‬ said...
Don't you just love it when people say, "Not to pick nits," and then they proceed to--pick nits? 

Yeah, right. These Republicans were thinking, "Well, we don't care if you say Genesis is the truth or not--just that there's this book, Genesis, and it gives this explanation! You know, like Gilgamesh and Br'er Rabbit!"

 Yeah.
11:36 PM

Anonymous‬ said...
Roy, that's probably not how it was read by most participants. You only think so -- or pretend to think so -- because you start from the proposition that Republicans are stupid. Why else would they be Republicans, right?

 Tone deaf you say? The post was light hearted? Goodness. How jolly to be called "flat stupid." I thought "name-calling is not argumentation, unless we're having a really slow day. But if you must call people names, please be clever about it." 

What a clever jokester you are. You called the results "striking." As in jarring, appalling, unsettling, disturbing, somehow revealing a fundamental truth that Republicans are flat stupid and support Creationism. Thanks for the yucks. 

Face it, logic guy, you drew an unwarranted and unfair conclusion and are now seeking cover behind the lame response that you were "just kidding."
11:40 PM

‪Anonymous‬ said...
By the way, Roy, I'm not the one ignoring any ambiguity. I pointed out the ambiguity by explaining the alternative reading. YOU are the one who posted the bad poll with the bad question in it and then drew a conclusion that does not follow because of that ambiguity. YOU ignored it to malign Republicans. But it was all in good fun, huh?
11:49 PM

Anonymous‬ said...
Oh, and not to pick nits, 11:36, but if Roy can use his subtle and lighthearted humor, as he so successfully did here, I can use understatement. Sorry that you missed it. I hope you at least got Roy's clever joke.

 Yeah.
11:55 PM

B. von Traven said...
Uh-oh, the Incorrigible One is back. 
Like a dog with a bone.
12:10 AM, February 07, 2010

Anonymous‬ said...
Good answer, Roy. You tell 'em. Kill 'em with humor.
12:13 AM

Anonymous‬ said...
If this poll is even roughly accurate, it is disturbing. The methodology seems sound. I am amazed. 
64% either think Barack Obama “hates White people” or aren’t sure! A majority thinks that Obama might want the "terrorists to win"?! Where is this crap coming from?
12:17 AM

Anonymous‬ said...
The poll is very disheartening.
8:43 AM

Anonymous‬ said...
Gosh, if they're so sure that Obama was lying about his origins, faith, etc - where was the outcry when he was elected to the Senate?
11:12 AM

Anonymous‬ said...
"Revealing a fundamental truth that Republicans are flat stupid and support Creationism."

Well, this is pretty much correct, isn't it? When there's an attack on [a] dictionary in a school library, or a diatribe against the "homosexual agenda," or a demand that creationism be taught as if it's actually scientific, which party is being represented?
11:51 AM

Anonymous said...
Yuck, 11:40. "Tone-deaf" is putting it mildly. As usual, Roy takes the high road when your venom comes flying, while you unfailingly take the low road. Please get lost. There're plenty of blogs that would never dream of criticizing Republicans.

Do go there, please.
1:57 PM

alannah said...
Dare I hope that this poll somehow had an unsuspected selection bias toward ignorant people and/or fundamentalist Christians and/or conspiracy theory lovers? How was the survey done?
I'm really hoping this is not a true cross-section of Republicans (and before anybody can say anything, no, I do not intend that as a pun).
3:44 PM

Tea Party Girl: "They came into our colleges..."

From today's Los Angeles Times, as reported by Kathleen Hennessey from Nashville, site of the National Tea Party Convention

     Some conference attendees said they were worried about religious freedom and immigration. They said they sensed a withering pride in American ideals and the country's place in the world.
     Often those concerns were tied to the post-1960s culture wars.
     "You took the radicals out of the '60s.  They came into our colleges, they became teachers and they began to teach our children," said Alice Moore, 69, who got her start in political activism fighting against what she deemed inappropriate textbooks in her West Virginia town.
     "The indoctrination of kids for 35 years or longer, this is what led us to the election of this president.  It is why we're here," Moore said.


"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be very careful about what we pretend to be."

COMMENTS:

Anonymous said...
Wow - a wee bit scary. Look at that logic.
(Where's the quote from?)
3:02 PM, February 06, 2010

Anonymous said...
ah, teachers again - root of all evil.
3:40 PM, February 06, 2010

Anonymous said...
So is that the only way they can explain the election of a black president?
9:10 AM, February 07, 2010

Anonymous‬ said...
Looks like Tancredo has come out as a racist. Or perhaps he's unaware that he is repeating the notorious arguments of historical racists? He can't be that ignorant. 
But it's OK to come out as a racist with this crowd. Listen to 'em!
12:32 PM

B. v Traven's addition: Tancredo welcomes the Tea Partiers:


Meanwhile, Rush Limbaugh, who eschews tea, entertains his flock with the word "retard," which he finds to be apt and, I guess, way underused:

Roy's obituary in LA Times and Register: "we were lucky to have you while we did"

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