But the Reb and I have spoken to quite a few vets in the last two weeks or so. We spoke at length with one today.
Here is some of what I believe we’ve heard from them:
- After all that they’ve been through, vets can have trouble adjusting to the very different life of the student.
- Vets need a place where they can congregate and meet informally, a "safe" and welcoming place where they can share their knowledge and experience. Vets can help vets.
- It is possible to create such a place and then to disturb or even destroy its delicate “ecology.” Not everything helpful to vets belongs in a vet center. (Perhaps a full-time counselor is a bad fit in a vet center.)
- Military veterans don’t take kindly to rude or officious behavior. They don’t appreciate being barked at or belittled. They bristle at what might be called an officer’s attitude.
- Vets tend to be no-bullshit types. They don’t need dog and pony shows. They don’t want to be put on display by or for anyone.
THE QUESTION: What do vets need/want?
Military veterans, please leave answers to our question. Tell us what you (i.e., vets) need and want here at Irvine Valley College.
I’ll post your comments below.
|This morning, the flag outside A100 was not at half staff.|
Then, suddenly, it was. Go figure.
Anonymous – 12:55 PM, December 09, 2013
I agree with you. While I am impressed with most of the officers and careerists I've met, many of the veterans who served in Iraq and Afghanistan that I've been in contact with have been arrogant and brash. I'm not even certain why they need their own center. Fine, have a veterans counselor, but why can't that person serve in an office with the rest of the counselors? A center just seems to encourage rude behavior and sexual harrassment. And we're supposed to let this continue because of what they've been through? Sorry, no.
Anonymous - 6:27 PM, December 07, 2013
Well said, 7:26am and 8:20am. The problem as I see it is that there is no one at the District interested in changing anything. They are only interested in their own agendas, pay, benefits, etc. Nothing will change until there is change at the District level.
Anonymous - 7:45 PM, December 07, 2013
Anonymous - 8:05 PM, December 07, 2013
I agree with you that it's their jobs to be interested. What I'm saying is if the mismanagement at the District level isn't being addressed, do you really think anything is going to change at the college level?
Anonymous - 8:30 PM, December 07, 2013
Well, that's discouraging. Who's in charge?
Anonymous - 9:36 PM, December 06, 2013
Embarrassing for the administration, sad for the veterans on campus. sorry guys and gals, you deserve better
* * *Anonymous - 6:36 AM, December 07, 2013
While there were problems before, Glen's "fix" only made things worse as does his ongoing unwillingness to address the problems. I thought he was more man than that. But he sends out other people to do what he wants done and then pretend it is going to be all right. I don't know how he can forget his commitments like that.
Anonymous - 7:26 AM, December 07, 2013
This problem is like most at IVC - it stems from a lack of leadership, poor judgment, an unwillingness to acknowledge and correct mistakes, a fear to speak out (which has been seen to have real consequences in recent days) - and the total abandonment by the board and the chancellor who seem to be just as willing as Glen to show up to the photo op moments but who have yet to care about the real human consequences of such poor management. While I am disappointed in IVC's leadership, I expected more from the district. Don't they know how to ask the hard questions instead of just accepting the rosy-colored answers?
Anonymous - 8:20 AM, December 07, 2013
* * *Anonymous - 1:03 PM, December 06, 2013
|VP Linda Fontanilla|
[NOTE: whether any of the above "needs to be said," it does not need to be said here; the idea of this post was to hear from military veterans and what they want. We did not ask for a critique of vets by non-vets. 1:03's perspective certainly is remarkable, though. --RB]
Anonymous - 9:03 AM, December 06, 2013
The flag should be at half mast. Presidential proclamation honoring Mandela.
Anonymous - 1:36 PM, December 06, 2013
1:03, what's the point of blasting away? You clearly would not understand and you are clearly not worth the effort. Nice troll btw......
Anonymous - 1:58 PM, December 06, 2013
Would not understand what,
Anonymous - 2:39 PM, December 06, 2013
We need Linda to leave us alone and let us be. Darryl is gone, Enrique is gone, Chris is gone. You win Linda, the program is shit now your mission has been accomplished. Keep that freakshow Mark up stairs and let us move on.
Anonymous - 3:31 PM, December 06, 2013
Mark has every right to write here, as does any other member of the college community - that's how it works. It helps to listen. Not listening is what created this mess. It is what happens at IVC all too often. It also helps to communicate in honest ways so that people might listen better. It doesn't help, IMO, to shout. That makes it hard to listen and often creates a louder response. So...what to do now?
Anonymous - 7:09 PM, December 06, 2013
Mark has every right to write on here this is true. What he does not have the right to do is pretend to be a student veteran and then bash the student veterans he does not like. That's how it works.
Anonymous - 9:02 AM, December 06, 2013
I dont want Chris in the veteran's center, he was not a postive influence.
* * *Anonymous - 927 PM, December 05, 2013
I NEED the old center back. The one where Chris and Enrique helped student veterans succeed in the classroom and all around life in general
Anonymus - 7:30 PM, December 05, 2013 [Posted under part 6]
Besides, there are worse things than being embarrassed – though I don't know how someone can be embarrassed by the fact people are expressing themselves. Free speech. Robust speech. We're taught that this is a good thing.
Failing to serve the real needs of students in effective ways at the expense of a self-serving agenda is much more embarrassing. That is what has happened.
Anonymous - 2:28 PM, December 05, 2013 [From part 7]
I want to know how Linda is going to explain the fact that she walked into a top notch veteran program running smoothly and after only being here a year it's completely destroyed. Good hire for VP Glenn, you really hit a home run with that one.