Thursday, April 19, 2007

"Troubled" Students: Civil Rights and Campus Safety

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Flags at half-staff at IVC

Rebel Girl notes the invitation that landed moments ago (8:21 AM!) in her virtual mailbox:

President Roquemore would like you to know that today's regularly scheduled bi-monthly Thursday President's Forum will be devoted to a discussion on campus safety. You are invited to join the President and Interim Police Chief Jim Pyle as follows:

Thursday, April 19
1:00 - 2:00 p.m.
Room A126

All are welcome.


She herself will not be able to attend the Forum due to her teaching schedule, but she is glad that folks on campus will be discussing this issue—and she hopes the discussion will continue in a manner that will allow fuller participation.

Indeed, inspired by this week's tragic events in Virginia as well as a series of events this academic year at our own campus, she and a colleague hope to propose a FLEX week session not just devoted to campus safety, but also district policy and civil rights.

Among the questions Rebel Girl would like answered are these:

What exactly should an instructor do when encountering an obviously "troubled" student? (In the past, R.G. has been counseled to show the student in question a copy of the IVC Student Code of Conduct. She must admit that the most troubled students don't seem impressed by this list of behaviors. Of course not, she thinks, they are "troubled" and showing them a list isn't really addressing the problem.)

Is there any way for instructors to be informed of these "troubled" students before they enter our classrooms? (She thinks not but wants to know for sure, nonetheless.)

When, if ever, does protecting the rights of the "troubled" student begin to impact the rights of students, faculty and staff?

—And so many others questions…but it's Thursday and Rebel Girl's plate remains full.

For more, check out these sources:

In Dr. Helen's blog (she is a forensic psychologist), she writes:

What I am amazed by is that in many school shootings, especially in universities, school authorities and others were told that there were problems or in some cases, the eventual killer had already made threats but no one did anything. The schools deny any responsibility at all in most of these cases, although, sometimes, they end up being sued for it. But what is money when people's lives are at stake? It's often the case that when the killer finally lashes out, the people who knew him aren't surprised—they'd been predicting something like this for weeks or months, but no action was taken.

In my opinion, if we have mentally unstable students who have made threats, have behavioral problems, etc. in universities and schools who do not hold themselves or the student accountable for their behavior, there is no other alternative than to extend the civil right to concealed carry to the potential innocent staff and students who may encounter the wrath of such a person. If universities and schools won't take responsibility—and they won't—then someone has to."


—and in today's New York Times, in the essay, "The Killer in the Lecture Hall", Barbara Oakley, professor of engineering at Oakland University, recalls her own run-in with a "troubled" student and the university's reaction, concluding:

"In other words, most of the broad social “lessons” we are being told we must learn from the Virginia Tech shootings have little to do with what allowed the horrors to occur. This is about evil, and about how our universities are able to deal with it as a literary subject but not as a fact of life. Can administrators and deans really continue to leave professors and other college personnel to deal with deeply disturbed students on their own, with only pencils in their defense?"

—and in The Chronicle of Higher Ed, Gary Pavela, an expert on "troubled" students, answers questions, including this one:

Q. In your view of the events in Blacksburg, what else do you see?

A. Looking at everything I’ve read in press accounts so far, this student was a very strange loner who had dark thoughts. So what can you do? You can try and make contact with the student, and I applaud the professor at Virginia Tech who apparently tried to do that. But the bottom line is that I don’t think there is anything close enough to what the federal law would require to have removed the student.


And, of course, let us know what you think, what you have experienced. Have you ever been frightened by a student? Felt threatened? Has a student ever threatened another student? What happened? Posting a comment is easy—and anonymous, if you wish.

Yesterday, in class, Rebel Girl noted that the half-mast flag, usually lowered in honor of dead leaders, was instead lowered in recognition of people just like us.

6 comments:

Professor Zero said...

Well, they may not be able to nab students (or faculty) who seem suspicious, but what about their guns???

Reina Vegetal said...

I have tuaght here many years and I have had many students who exhibited disturbing behavior. I had a paranoid schizoprehnic who eventually spat out a tuna fish sandwich onto the desk of the student sitting behind him. (He did not like her.) This was the last in a series of increasingly bizare classroom incidents and even then, he was only suspended and we had to have some little mock trial with him and his lawyer, before we were finally able to get rid of him.

I had a stalker type about four years ago. He made very inappropirate comments in class and then he showed up at a concert that I went to wwith friends and wanted to dance with me! Then one night after I told him he could not have any more time on an exam, he stuck his foot in my office door when I tried to close it. I should have called the police much earlier on this one. I did not report it until he asked if he could live with me because, well, didn't I have an extra bedroom? I have had homeless people sign up because my class was in the afternoon and they could then take a nap in a corner desk.

Believe it or not, there is a lot of support for instructors with these "students" in our classes now. In 1980 when I started teaching here, you were on your own.

RG, I hope you will do an in-service presentation on how to effectively manage disturbed students and on the the issue of the rights of instructors and students to have a safe learning environment. (I hope administrators will come and take note, because as you noted, having the student in question read the student conduct regulations is not helpful.)

torabora said...

Up here in sleepy Susanville we have similar problems as you OC folks. Our maniac is one Dr. Homer L (for liar) Cissell Phd. Ed., as fine an idiot as God has ever made. A year ago we were treated to a myspace posting by one of his handpicked wrestling coaches Paul Gomez. This featured pics of Lassen College dorm residents smoking bongs, simulating sex acts, crossdressing, drinking alcohol (no problem so far for liberals I bet) and parading a M-16 and a pistol grip shotgun in our dorm. The guns belonged to a wrestling athlete. The local cops stumbled onto this in connection with a 26lb pot bust on another wrestler in town. Both athletes went on to work off their felonies in prison. Cissell let the coach stay in the dorm and never publicly acknowledged any of this happened. His dorm manger was caught with a shotgun in the dorm office during all this. He told the cops he found it in a vacated room and Cissell told him to stash it rather than call the cops. So Cissell clipped him. I would stand Cissell up against your Goomonster any day. Its a full time insurgency up here.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone go to the campus safety meeting?

Anonymous said...

I couldn't go - I had to teach - who went?

(By the way - who doesn't teach at that prime time anyway?)

Anonymous said...

Counselors and a couple of faculty members were there. The crowd mostly consisted of staff, managers, and administrators.
Jeanne Egasse addressed safety in the classroom and doors that do not lock from the inside.
Glenn said he was putting together a committee to work on creating an emergency management plan, something he tried to do 4 or 5 years ago but failed.

If you recall, last year panic and chaos wreaked havoc on campus when a sandbag was left in the A100 Bldg. It became clear then that a plan needed to be in place. Nothing was done. Now, after the VT horrific massacre, talks to create a plan have resumed... Let's not drop this topic until we actually have a PLAN, including regularly-scheduled drills.

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