Please note the blatant ad hominem employed by Trustee John Williams against IVC Academic Senate President Kate Clark.]
May 19, 1997
Meeting of the SOCCCD Board of Trustees
[IVC Academic Senate President Kate Clark's statement during the public comments portion of the meeting--and her subsequent brief exchange with Trustee Williams]

Trustee Williams: The Brown Act allows a brief interaction with a public speaker: President Clark, did you state to any employee of this district that, if you didn't get those things that you wanted, that you would shut down IVC?
Clark: Never.
Williams: OK, thank you.
[Later in the meeting, trustees Lorch and Frogue repeat the charge against Kate. Evidently, the story that Kate had said they she “would shut down IVC” was reported to trustees by Raghu. Judging by the unreliability of similar charges offered by Mathur over the years, I think Kate’s reputation is safe.]
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TRUSTEE FROGUE’S REPORT:
My report will be brief. I did provide (a bit [indecipherable] report) here about certain things that have been going on here. I did want to announce that I did this afternoon talk to the Governor's Office and I did ask him to call a conference of the Presidents of the Community College Districts of California to review the problems with AB1725, the relations with the Academic Senates. I think it's reached a --we've reached a point here where the Academic Senates might not have confidence in us, and frankly I don't think we have much confidence in them, and it's something, it's a problem I think we should perhaps reach some agreement on. So I've put in a call and I will be following it up with a letter.
We have the same type of problem here that we've had over the last three years here. And we've seen it in this last week here, where lies get printed in the newspapers...It's called "blow back." It's the oldest game in the book. You plant something in the newspaper that's false--I've suffered this type of stuff personally from people in this very room: repeating lies. The lies, just by getting printed get--"Well, it was printed; it therefore must be the truth." We see the same type of thing here with the fact that the CCLC was going to investigate. Never happened, never happened. They spin this stuff--people (can be?) inventive, conscientious, and creative liars and the truth seems to be whatever lies they think they can get away with. And it's time that maybe a little bit of this stuff stops.
. . .
We were at the conference in Washington, D.C. We had part of the first day there off and I visited the Arlington National Cemetery and the eternal flame...Walked down a little bit. Eighteen inch cross: the grave of Robert Francis Kennedy. There was a young family with a child there; the little child asked, "Who was Robert Kennedy?" And the wife turns to the husband, "Who was Robert Kennedy?" They didn't even know. And to those of us who lived through that, it's relatively shocking.
I turned, however, and there's an inscription on the wall that left me transfixed. And it said that every time a person stands up, and stands up to, that which is wrong, they start a small ripple, and if enough people stand up against what is wrong, they can truly cause a wave to form that will change the world. It was the most beautiful thing that I've ever seen. Very inspiring and something that we can all learn from and profit from.
[Later in the meeting:]
Trustee Frogue speaks of "rigged elections"
Trustee Frogue: Thank you Miss Miller-White...As far as kettles and pots, here, I think it's—
Miller-White: Black is a good color.
Trustee Frogue: (indecipherable)...and it's beautiful, too, but, uh, as far as the reputations of those governance units in our District, maybe it's, it's not the best color--we should be striving for openness.
(Miller-White: "[indecipherable] is fine.")
Frogue: ...I think it has been fine. I have been, uh, you know, a member of CTA for thirty years and even had an Academic Senate at the school that I teach and I follow the...[indecipherable]. I do believe under the (virtue?) of this Board that the Academic Senate meets.
I've seen rigged elections. (Indecipherable) votes of no confidence--I've seen rigged elections in one of the colleges. I've seen it twice, personally, personally--with rigged elections. And so when, uh, people talk about--you know, uh--votes of this or votes of that, I just think you have to take it with a grain of salt. Moving along...(Roy Bauer begins to speak over Trustee Frogue: "Are you saying that...") The California...School Employee Association...
Roy Bauer: [Again:] Excuse me. Are you saying that the referendum was rigged?
Trustee Frogue: No.
(?): Then what are you saying?
Trustee Frogue: I'm saying that there've been rigged elections in the past.
(?:) By whom?
Trustee Frogue: The Academic Senate of Irvine Valley College [mixed voices. Frogue responds to something:] I just said it. There have been rigged elections...
Bauer: Was it [i.e., the vote of no confidence] rigged or not?
Trustee Frogue: Rigged elections at Irvine College in the past...
(?:)By whom?
Trustee Frogue: The Irvine Valley College Academic Senate.
Jan Wyma: We've been called liars here tonight; we may as well get it out in the open.
Bauer: Who is the liar and what's the lie?
Wyma: (We're having?) a public meeting and you call our faculty liars.
Trustee Frogue: I said there have been rigged elections at Irvine Valley College. I've seen them. Twice. You want me to name names? [Indecipherable mixed voices.] The evidence is in the record.
(?): It exonerated the Senate.
Trustee Frogue: Pardon me?
(?): The record exonerated the Senate.
Trustee Frogue: The record did not exonerate the Senate.
(?): I'd like (you?) to name names.
Trustee Frogue: The record...We can, if you'd like [mixed voices, indecipherable; reference is made by someone to Frogue's speaking of liars.] No, I didn't call anybody "liars." I said there were rigged elections.
Bauer: You, sir, are a coward.
Trustee Frogue: No, I'm not…I'm saying that there were rigged elections--for the fourth time.
Bauer: Who's a liar? [Mixed voices, indecipherable; general chaos.]
Trustee Fortune: Point of order. This sounds like an Irvine Valley College faculty meeting--(in other words, I would wish you'd move [us] along?).
Trustee Frogue: Yes, Yes. I understand.