Uh-oh. Things are getting unpleasant at UCI. Gary Robbins of the OC Reg’s College Life blog just posted:
Protestors disrupt speech by Israeli ambassador
Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren has been interrupted nine times this evening while trying to talk about U.S.-Israel relations at UC Irvine….
Mark Petracca, a political science professor, took the stage at 6:21 p.m. and said that the protestors would be arrested.
Oren began speaking just before 5:50 p.m. Over the next 10 minutes, he was interrupted by four different men who yelled various things at him. The first said, “Propagating murder is not free speech.”
The second person yelled about “Zionism.”
The third yelled, “Israel.” The fourth could not be clearly heard.
. . .
Petracca lost his temper and yelled, “This is embarrassing … Shame on all of you.”
UCI Chancellor Michael Drake also told the 500 people in attendance that he was embarrassed by the outburst.
. . .
Hours earlier, UCI’s Muslim Student Union said in an email today that its members “condemn and oppose the presence of Michael Oren, the ambassador of Israel to the United States, on our campus today. We resent that the Law School and the Political Science Department on our campus have agreed to cosponsor a public figure who represents a state that continues to break international and humanitarian law and is condemned by more UN Human Rights Council resolutions than all other countries in the world combined.”
. . .
UCI political science professor Mark Petracca asked the crowd to be civil, saying, “(This) is not the British Parliament. It is a university.”
COMMENTS:
Anonymous said... Yikes. 9:16 AM
Anonymous said... I see trustee Lang there! 10:08 AM
Anonymous said... Dave lives near campus. His wife works at UCI. So I wouldn't be surprised if he were there. 10:23 AM
Anonymous said... Yes, Lang is in the audience sitting just in front of the first person who interupts the speaker -- you can see Lang turning around at about second 38. Yes, Lang's wife works at UCI and is represented by the union there. Red Emma is president of her union. She is a librarian. The UCI library is affiliated with the ALA -- unlike the current status of SOCCCD's libraries. I'm just sayin'. 10:30 AM
Anonymous said... terrible that no reporter picked up on the inter-crowd heckling of the students by the older "community members". i saw a few girls in headscarves being repeatedly harassed by two older, jewish, men. also, they packed the room with the "community sponsors" and shoved students to the sides. there was a packed overflow room as well. 12:51 PM
Anonymous said... Wow, this video really brings back memories--of Nazis and JDL thugs harrassing each other at SOCCCD board meetings. One would suddenly feel that one had been transported out of the country to some lawless place of unyielding louts. 1:58 PM
Anonymous said... Yeah, nowadays, one feels transported to a Tea Party rally or, really, any place where people are attempting to discuss issues and the new right-wing is present. Soon, a punch in the face will be known as their most powerful argument. 2:02 PM
Anonymous said... The "new right-wing is present"? These protesters are Tea Party people or otherwise from the right? You've got to be kidding. 2:21 PM
Anonymous said... 2:21:
1:15, remembering the Nazi/JDL clashes of ten years ago, said, witnessing that, "One would suddenly feel that one had been transported out of the country to some lawless place of unyielding louts." Then I said, that "one feels transported to a Tea Party rally." The point is that one now has a new standard of "foreign" loutishness, namely, Tea Party events, such as the recent one in which racist sentiments were expressed and applauded. Then I went on to suggest yet another model, namely, the sort of ugly, racist, conspiracy-nut stuff that attached to Republican rallies during the last Presidential election. That is, one no longer must imagine foreigner anarchy or ancient hatreds to imagine loutish thuggery and the like; one need look no further than the noisy element of today's Republican Party. 3:56 PM
Anonymous said... Oh, I get it, 3:56. Thanks for clarifying. Ugly uncivil left-wing shouting down of an invited speaker at UCI reminds someone of ugly uncivil loutish shouting between Nazis and the JDL from more than a decade ago, so, of course, the Republicans/Tea Partiers -- who are neither left wingers nor Nazis nor the JDL -- get slandered. It all makes sense. 4:21 PM
Anonymous said... I think the commentators were talking about the decline of public discourse in general -- the rhetoric of the Tea Partiers being a recent, pungent example of this decline. 5:11 PM
Anonymous said... What he said. 5:20 PM
She said... She! She said. 5:22 PM
Anonymous said... Yeah, I thought of that, but "what he said" is more familiar. I'm often torn between maximal rhetoric and correctness. I flip flop on that all the time. 5:26 PM
Anonymous said... Extremely disturbing, and scary. What gets to me as much as the thugs who stood up and yelled were the idiots cheering them on: cheerleaders without brains. Mob mentality is just too stupid for words, and always a serious danger. --MAH 10:57 AM, February 10, 2010
Anonymous said... " ... a punch in the face will be known as their most serious argument." Now THAT is a good one, 2:02! -- MAH 1:19 PM
Anonymous said... The latest: Chemerinski weighs in: Dean: UCI protesters violated free speech 2:33 PM
Anonymous said... 5:11, How can you say the Tea Partiers are an example of a “decline of public discourse in general?” Seems to me this new peaceful grass-roots effort has been civil; no property damage, no violence, etc… As compared to the left’s usual show of “public discourse” in the recent past, Tea Partiers shine! And 2:02, “Soon, a punch in the face will be known as their most powerful argument.” Amusing but so far I see the Tea Partiers presenting some very compelling prima facie arguments that stand on their own merits. Again, it’s the left who has been violent, while the conservatives have not. 2:34 PM
Anonymous said... The Tea Party crowd regularly laps up demagoguery. Tancrito borrows classic and familiar racist arguments, and the crowd is entranced--and clueless. Palin suggests that the Prez could invade Iran to gain "toughness" cred, and the audience doesn't flinch. They are Neanderthals, without memory or knowledge, just a club and a torch. I would be more impressed if there were hecklers, Tea Baggers (or whatever) with some notion of who we are and where we've come from. Again, I say, view all of the video of crowds at Republican events during the last Presidential election: suddenly, racist sentiments and daft conspiracy theories were acceptable. It was horrifying. You keep referring to unruly leftists. Just who are these leftists? We have Republicans breaking into offices, spreading false rumors, hinting at the desirability of "revolution." I'm talking about Republicans, all around us, especially here in OC. Now do point out to me the Democrats among us who reveal any similar intellectual or democratic crudity. (And, BTW, those guys at the UCI event don't count. For one thing, they are likely foreign students. For another, [they're] not leftists.) 2:49 PM
Anonymous said...“The Tea Party crowd regularly laps up demagoguery.”
--What about the leftists with their anti-Bush-Cheney rhetoric, and the war has been lost, etc… I saw someone wearing a “Kill Cheney” t-shirt the other day. [They're] the ones advocating violence, not the conservatives. If any side is more consumed with race, it’s the left with their political correctness along with their demagogues like those 3 Reverends (you know who they are) who are in the race business. It’s all about race-baiting with them. “suddenly, racist sentiments and daft conspiracy theories were acceptable. It was horrifying. Now do point out to me the Democrats among us who reveal any similar intellectual or democratic crudity.” How about our Prez’s own Reverend for 20 years? You didn’t find him horrifying? I think you’re clueless. Most horrifying is the typical leftist Australopithecus Afarensis, incapable of doing their own thinking, who buy into all that crap about how big daddy govt. is going to take care of them by stealing property away from the rest of us… and for what in exchange? Their FREEDOM! How any American could go along with this “plot” is beyond me. Now sit down and shut up cuz it’s time for another sleep-inducing lecture from the almighty PREZ! Yay! 8:14 PM
B. von Traven said...8:14, you have made your case beautifully. Indeed, you are thoroughly self-defecating. Now, go away, and don't come back. Please. This is a college blog. If you hurry, you can just catch Glenn Beck over on Fox. Perfect for you. 8:48 PM
Anonymous said...Why, thank you B. von Traven! I guess it means I've won the argument when the moderator replies with ad hominem and asks that I go away. ~ 10:09 PM
Anonymous said...…A few weeks ago [Beck] did a special, “Revolutionary Holocaust: Live Free or Die” which was a real eye-opener for me. Did any of you happen to catch it? If not, I strongly suggest you see it. It’s basically about how for the last 100 years, the progressives have been teaching us revisionist history. They’ve managed to associate all the “bad stuff” in the world, i.e. totalitarian regimes, genocide, man’s inhumanity to man, etc… with far-right ideologies and conveniently omitted overwhelming human atrocities by the far-left. In brief the facts are, Hitler (alleged far-right) = 7M dead, while Stalin (far-left) = 12M Ukrainians dead + Mao (far-left) = 70M Chinese dead, etc… The tally is: alleged far-right = 7M dead compared to far-left = 82M dead. And that’s not even all the far-left atrocities, just the two most prominent. Further, Hitler’s Fascism, usually associated with far-right ideology, is in fact more in line with Stalin’s far-left Socialism. In fact when compared side by side, every element is identical except for the Nazi’s “nationalist” element hence, the actual definition of fascism is “National Socialism.” So we can easily conclude that fascism is actually a far-left phenomenon. This expose really changed everything for me, because now left-right political spectrum theory, or the conventional school of thought, is no longer relevant. What is evident, there are still two sides; good and evil. Good stands for traditional liberal philosophy: freedom, justice and humanity, while evil stands for socialism, totalitarianism and death. Today’s conservatives represent the former and unfortunately hard-left liberals, the latter. Some folks think Glenn Beck is a joke, I certainly don’t. He was recently voted America’s second most influential conservative of 2009, by AP, survey by CBS. Why do you suppose that is? He used to work for CNN, you know. What happened to make him join the FOX news team? Was it perhaps the disintegration of good journalism at CNN? And finally, “And, BTW, those guys at the UCI event don't count. For one thing, they are likely foreign students. For another, their not leftists.” Did you down a half gallon of Prestone? Of course they’re leftists! What do you think the Muslim Brotherhood is? It’s a socialist movement/party born out of Nassir’s Egypt in the 1950s. ~ 9:05 PM, February 11, 2010
Anonymous said...Bummer you should not have changed out the video! The original was much better. It showed the professor at the end telling his unruly students to drop the class and that they've failed their exams. That was the best part! No worry, the OC Register has the original one. ~ 9:39 PM
Anonymous said...Reading that stuff from 9:05 gives me pause to think how many Germans must have felt in 1936; that they woke up one morning and saw a plurality of their countrymen supporting Goebbels and company, and were just stunned as to what had happened. And we know where that led. ~ 12:08 PM, February 12, 2010
27 comments:
Yikes.
I see trustee Lang there!
Don lives near campus. His wife works at UCI. So I wouldn't be surprised if he were there.
I meant "Dave" not Don.
Yes, Lang is in the audience sitting just in front of the first person who interupts the speaker - you can see Lang turning around at about second 38.
Yes, Lang's wife works at UCI and is represented by the union there. Red Emma is president of her union. She is a librarian. The UCI library is affiliated with the ALA - unlike the current status of SOCCCD's libraries.
I'm just sayin'.
terrible that no reporter picked up on the inter-crowd heckling of the students by the older "community members". i saw a few girls in headscarves being repeatedly harassed by two older, jewish, men.
also, they packed the room with the "community sponsors" and shoved students to the sides. there was a packed overflow room as well.
Wow, this video really brings back memories--of Nazis and JDL thugs harrassing each other at SOCCCD board meetings. One would suddenly feel that one had been transported out of the country to some lawless place of unyielding louts.
Yeah, nowadays, one feels transported to a Tea Party rally or, really, any place where people are attempting to discuss issues and the new right-wing is present. Soon, a punch in the face will be known as their most powerful argument.
The "new right-wing is present"? These protesters are Tea Party people or otherwise from the right? You've got to be kidding.
2:21, 1:15, remembering the Nazi/JDL clashes of ten years ago, said, witnessing that, "One would suddenly feel that one had been transported out of the country to some lawless place of unyielding louts."
Then I said, that "one feels transported to a Tea Party rally." The point is that one now has a new standard of "foreign" loutishness, namely, Tea Party events, such as the recent one in which racist sentiments were expressed and applauded. Then I went on to suggest yet another model, namely, the sort of ugly, racist, conspiracy-nut stuff that attached to Republican rallies during the last Presidential election. That is, one no longer must imagine foreigner anarchy or ancient hatreds to imagine loutish thuggery and the like; one need look no further than the noisy element of today's Republican Party.
Oh, I get it, 3:56. Thanks for clarifying. Ugly uncivil left-wing shouting down of an invited speaker at UCI reminds someone of ugly uncivil loutish shouting between Nazis and the JDL from more than a decade ago, so, of course, the Republicans/Tea Partiers -- who are neither left wingers nor Nazis nor the JDL -- get slandered. It all makes sense.
I think the commentators were talking about the decline of public discourse in general - the rhetoric of the Tea Partiers being a recent, pungent example of this decline.
What he said.
She! She said.
Yeah, I thought of that, but "what he said" is more familiar. I'm often torn between maximal rhetoric and correctness. I flip flop on that all the time.
*Extremely* disturbing, and scary. What gets to me as much as the thugs who stood up and yelled were the idiots cheering them on: cheerleaders without brains.
Mob mentality is just too stupid for words, and always a serious danger.
MAH
" ... a punch in the face will be known as their most serious argument." Now THAT is a good one, 2:02!
MAH
The latest: Chemerinski weighs in: Dean: UCI protesters violated free speech
5:11, How can you say the Tea Partiers are an example of a “decline of public discourse in general?” Seems to me this new peaceful grass-roots effort has been civil; no property damage, no violence, etc… As compared to the left’s usual show of “public discourse” in the recent past, Tea Partiers shine!
And 2:02, “Soon, a punch in the face will be known as their most powerful argument.” Amusing but so far I see the Tea Partiers presenting some very compelling prima facie arguments that stand on their own merits. Again, it’s the left who has been violent, while the conservatives have not.
The Tea Party crowd regularly laps up demagoguery. Tancrito borrows classic and familiar racist arguments, and the crowd is entranced--and clueless. Palin suggests that the Prez could invade Iran to gain "toughness" cred, and the audience doesn't flinch. They are Neanderthals, without memory or knowledge, just a club and a torch. I would be more impressed if there were hecklers, Tea Baggers (or whatever) with some notion of who we are and where we've come from. Again, I say, view all of the video of crowds at Republican events during the last Presidential election: suddenly, racist sentiments and daft conspiracy theories were acceptable. It was horrifying. You keep referring to unruly leftists. Just who are these leftists? We have Republicans breaking into offices, spreading false rumors, hinting at the desirability of "revolution." I'm talking about Republicans, all around us, especially here in OC. Now do point out to me the Democrats among us who reveal any similar intellectual or democratic crudity. (And, BTW, those guys at the UCI event don't count. For one thing, they are likely foreign students. For another, their not leftists.)
“The Tea Party crowd regularly laps up demagoguery.”
What about the leftists with their anti-Bush-Cheney rhetoric, and the war has been lost, etc… I saw someone wearing a “Kill Cheney” t-shirt the other day. Their the ones advocating violence, not the conservatives. If any side is more consumed with race, it’s the left with their political correctness along with their demagogues like those 3 Reverends (you know who they are) who are in the race business. It’s all about race-baiting with them.
“suddenly, racist sentiments and daft conspiracy theories were acceptable. It was horrifying. Now do point out to me the Democrats among us who reveal any similar intellectual or democratic crudity.” How about our Prez’s own Reverend for 20 years? You didn’t find him horrifying?
I think you’re clueless. Most horrifying is the typical leftist Australopithecus Afarensis, incapable of doing their own thinking, who buy into all that crap about how big daddy govt. is going to take care of them by stealing property away from the rest of us… and for what in exchange? Their FREEDOM! How any American could go along with this “plot” is beyond me.
Now sit down and shut up cuz it’s time for another sleep-inducing lecture from the almighty PREZ! Yay!
8:14, you have made your case beautifully. Indeed, you are thoroughly self-defecating.
Now, go away, and don't come back. Please. This is a college blog. If you hurry, you can just catch Glenn Beck over on Fox. Perfect for you.
Why,thank you B. von Traven!
I guess it means I've won the argument when the moderator replies with ad hominem and asks that I go away.
Speaking of Glen Beck:
My two cents: A few weeks ago he did a special, “Revolutionary Holocaust: Live Free or Die” which was a real eye-opener for me. Did any of you happen to catch it? If not, I strongly suggest you see it.
It’s basically about how for the last 100 years, the progressives have been teaching us revisionist history. They’ve managed to associate all the “bad stuff” in the world, i.e. totalitarian regimes, genocide, man’s inhumanity to man, etc… with far-right ideologies and conveniently omitted overwhelming human atrocities by the far-left. In brief the facts are, Hitler (alleged far-right) = 7M dead, while Stalin (far-left) = 12M Ukrainians dead + Mao (far-left) = 70M Chinese dead, etc… The tally is: alleged far-right = 7M dead compared to far-left = 82M dead. And that’s not even all the far-left atrocities, just the two most prominent.
Further, Hitler’s Fascism, usually associated with far-right ideology, is in fact more in line with Stalin’s far-left Socialism. In fact when compared side by side, every element is identical except for the Nazi’s “nationalist” element hence, the actual definition of fascism is “National Socialism.” So we can easily conclude that fascism is actually a far-left phenomenon.
This expose really changed everything for me, because now left-right political spectrum theory, or the conventional school of thought, is no longer relevant. What is evident, there are still two sides; good and evil. Good stands for traditional liberal philosophy: freedom, justice and humanity, while evil stands for socialism, totalitarianism and death. Today’s conservatives represent the former and unfortunately hard-left liberals, the latter.
Some folks think Glenn Beck is a joke, I certainly don’t. He was recently voted America’s second most influential conservative of 2009, by AP, survey by CBS. Why do you suppose that is? He used to work for CNN, you know. What happened to make him join the FOX news team? Was it perhaps the disintegration of good journalism at CNN?
And finally, “And, BTW, those guys at the UCI event don't count. For one thing, they are likely foreign students. For another, their not leftists.”
Did you down a half gallon of Prestone? Of course they’re leftists! What do you think the Muslim Brotherhood is? It’s a socialist movement/party born out of Nassir’s Egypt in the 1950s.
Bummer you should not have changed out the video! The original was much better. It showed the professor at the end telling his unruly students to drop the class and that they've failed their exams. That was the best part! No worry, the OC Register has the original one.
Reading that stuff from 9:05 gives me pause to think how many Germans must have felt in 1936; that they woke up one morning and saw a plurality of their countrymen supporting Goebbels and company, and were just stunned as to what had happened. And we know where that led.
You have really great taste on catch article titles, even when you are not interested in this topic you push to read it
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