Tuesday, November 18, 2008

The November board meeting


The board announced that, during its closed session, it appointed Randy Peebles to Provost of the Advanced Technology and Education Park (ATEP). Oddly, the vote was 5-2, with Trustees Jay and Milchiker voting no.

OC Treasurer Chriss Street dropped by to announce Chancellor Mathur’s appointment to the Treasurer’s Oversight Committee, which has five members. For some reason, Street did not use the speaker’s podium; he sat about where Gary Poertner usually sits.


During public comments, Saddleback College Academic Senate President Bob Cosgrove noted the ongoing problem of inadequate support for faculty working on SLOs and other accreditation-related tasks. Evidently, many local districts provide much more LHE than does SOCCCD. (The agenda item concerning reassigned time and stipends had been pulled. I’m told that the committee responsible for reviewing board policies is developing a new policy regarding RT and stipends that would conflict with Mathur’s likely lowball recommendation.)


Karla Westphal was on hand to object to the board’s evident intention to hire a law firm to defend its practice of giving prayerful invocations. (Item 6.3) She declared that spending taxpayer money to pursue trustees’ personal agendas is “irresponsible.”

A student who attended last Spring’s notorious Scholarship event--in which board President Don Wagner made some singularly unpopular remarks--explained that she was deeply offended by Wagner’s conduct. She believes that the board should replace prayer with a moment of silence.

There were about 25 Saddleback College students in attendance—all wearing red shirts—and they applauded vigorously.

During board reports, trustee Tom Fuentes noted that Chancellor Raghu Mathur will be hosting “ethics training” soon. Most of the room was weirded out by that one.

Mathur opined that the victory of all four trustee incumbents is an indication that the district is “well run.” He thanked Tom Fuentes for his efforts to rename the board room the “Ronald Reagan Room.”

Item 6.1—presentation of the Saddleback College 2008-9 Associated Students Budget—was moved to the front. The students were excited. Their leaders obviously take the whole thing pretty seriously. The 25 kids applauded at every opportunity, so proud were they of themselves and their leaders.

Trustees were unimpressed by the students’ budget. Student trustee Hannah Lee noted how little money in the budget was dedicated to student scholarships. How come IVC’s much smaller budget funds many more scholarships?


Board President Don Wagner said that he did not see that the budget gives much to the students. He noted it provides money for forensics, surfing, and whatnot, but “that’s not where the rubber meets the road for the students.”

Chancellor Mathur, with wet finger still in air, piled on. He noted that the students had budgeted $12K for the scholarship ceremony where a mere $35K in scholarships would be doled out. 

That didn’t sound good.

Trustee Fuentes noted that the students were engaging in “deficit spending.” He was unimpressed that the students had decided to spend all of their large beginning balance ($208,000). I think he favored returning it to the students.

In the end, students were urged to go back to the drawing board. They all got up and wandered back to the malt shop.


Chancellor Mathur offered a grim report on budget matters. At the state level, it’s a “mess,” he said. He noted (as we did here in Dissent) that our own county is considering layoffs. There is, he said, “some envy” of the three community college districts (including ours) that receive “basic aid,” and, as a consequence, our basic aid funding is now under “threat.” Further, county residents are beginning to ask for reassessments of their homes, and this will “impact” the money available to us (via basic aid, which comes from local property taxes). There’s talk, he said, of community college fee increases, etc. Tuition will likely go up to $26, then to $30.

It appears that $332.2 million will be carved out of the state’s community college budget. (It looks very bad for the faculty contract.)

There’s talk of a sales tax increase.

“Well, that’s cheery. Thank you,” said board president Wagner.

Fuentes noted that a new tax on serving drinks will likely be instituted. He observed that, when the “fellas” in Sacramento talk about taxing their drinking, we’ve got real trouble.


Trustee Fuentes carped about the high cost of the proposed study abroad program to Peru ($3,500, including travel, for one week). Trustees decided to get some answers to their questions before approving the trip.

Item 5.9 was supposed to be a report on trustee travel expenses—plus identification of trustees requesting such expenses. Exhibit A for this item listed three locations, without identifying the requesting trustees. Padberg again wanted to know who requested these travel expenses. Williams acknowledged that he asked for the $2,200 to travel to Orlando in January.

Williams has a brother in Orlando. He often goes there, on the district's dime.

Check out our graphics, which provide further details re travel expenses (especially Williams’)--and cellphone expenses. (Click on graphics to make them larger.)

Item 6.3 proposed hiring a lawyer regarding trustee invocations. Lang said it would be “wasteful spending.” Trustees should replace the prayers with a “thought for the day” or moment of “silent reflection,” he said.


Padberg seemed to say that the prayers can continue and there is no need to hire an expensive lawyer. Trustee Bill Jay said that prayers are just swell. The vote was 3/3, with Fuentes abstaining (a conflict of interest). Wagner declared that abstentions count as a “yes.”

That was about it.

21 comments:

Anonymous said...

Oh, I see we're back to deleting posts again.

This is relevant because it has to do with the quality of education in America.

The people who were interviewed were all educated.

Is there some reason you folks don’t want people to see this?

"Promote then as an object of primary importance, Institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened."
George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796

"Media Malpractice... How Obama Got Elected" Watch the video. It’s absolutely astounding.

http://www.howobamagotelected.com

Anonymous said...

Orlando is just great during January! Maybe we can all go!

Thanks for the comprehensive report, Chunk!

To the complaining anon above - you know, blogs are free! You can start your own! We promise to visit!

(And hey -weren't you the one suggesting months ago that Reb and Chunk were big-time Hilary-lovers? You were Clinton-Clinton-Clinton all the time. So boring. All those links to all those videos and rants. Yeah, that was you.)

Anyway, nice job with the meeting Chunk. I like the persistance of Carla. Maybe she could guest blog sometime.

Anonymous said...

It's nice that Westphal has the support of students and that they show up to these meetings too.

Anonymous said...

wow - maybe Williams could donate his travel expenses to thw scholarship fund! 15,500!!!!

For the cranky anon 9:29: I wish I had the power to delete your posts!

Maybe you CAN start your own blog.

You could title it:

Right-Wing Rants and Creepy Things I Say About Kids

Anonymous said...

As much as I dislike the usual right wing routine, I do not think that deleting posts is a good idea. It just gives them fodder for their screeds, and smacks of censorship.

I say, let them talk.

Anonymous said...

You have no idea how some readers filibuster or persist in truly unpleasant (or puzzling or disturbing) commentary. Somehow, they are blind to the ugliness of their verbiage, the rudeness of their "contribution."

Generally, when I write for the blog, I hope that thoughtful people will respond. I really don't care if those who write see things as I do. It is enough that they are thoughful--or at least entertaining.

Imagine seeing comments repeatedly dominated by foolish or incomprehensible blather! We at Dissent delete remarks generally only in extreme cases--when, for instance, someone is truly stinking up the blog with embarrassing or incompetent drivel.

-Roy

Anonymous said...

How about a middle ground--let some of these things stay on and the readers can respond. After a trial run, then do as you wish.

Anonymous said...

1:31--Naturally, that's what we do now. Speaking for myself, I seldom delete comments. If you read through our comments, you'll see that we often leave offensive, obnoxious, etc. comments. When they occur in isolation, it isn't usually a problem.

But some of these people comment over and over again, imagining that they have some great and hidden truth that must be promulgated by any means necessary.

For instance, the latest filibustering fellow seems determined to have us link to a site that provides "proof" that nefarious things are afoot with Mr. Obama and the manner in which he was elected. I actually went to the site, and it turned out to be completely worthless, engaging in the merest of anecdotal proof, cherry picking, a failure to consider alternatives, etc.
-R

Anonymous said...

I vote to delete the howobamagotelected guy.

Anonymous said...

Poor Gary Poertner. He had to give up his seat for a bloody criminal like Chris Street. Street is such an asshole.

Bohrstein said...

9:29: Would you say that you find thinking 'hard'?

You say you are "astounded" but the video. I say you are misinformed about the extent to which people are misinformed. I watched it, and I am not surprised. It's very common for a shit load of people from every party to be misinformed. Of course, we might have some evidence of this if John Zogby of "Zogby International" in all of his infinite statistical wisdom, had asked BOTH SIDES whether they knew shit about the candidates. But no, he asked OBAMA SUPPORTERS. Well done, and 9:29 bought right in to this shit; like the little lemming twirp he is. You should be ashamed of yourself for 'thinking' the way you do. You clearly jumped to your conclusion that Obama sucks, and are cherry picking your data in support.

So, what is your point again? That the media is somehow committing 'malpractice'?

I don't get it. Who is the media? They don't even say.

Shame 9:29. Shame, shame, shame. You need to be more critical of your own thoughts, and anyone you find supporting your 'ideas.'

Anonymous said...

Williams gets $15,000 to fly to Orlando but IVC can't come up with the $$ to stock tampons in the ladies room?

Gee.

Maybe we should have a bake sale to raise the money.

Anonymous said...

But then again, Williams doesn't NEED feminine hygiene products, does he?

Anonymous said...

I think the removal of the feminine hygiene dispensers violates the Americans with Disabilities Act - something having to do with accomodations and services.

Anonymous said...

Why can't women buy their own tampons? When did that become the employer's job?

Anonymous said...

12:54:
I think you'll find that most if not all feamle employees carry their own (after all we work here) - but I belive the poster is referring to students and vistors to campus - and of course, common courtesy.

And by the way - the dispensers require cash money - nobody is getting anything for "free." So your suggestion that the "employer" is "buying" something doesn't quite fit the situation.

Anonymous said...

Then it's a vendor problem, if they are coin machines, right? The 8:12 poster implied that IVC pays for the products.

Anonymous said...

Bohrstein,

The POINT is about recollection of what’s important (you know, substance) in an election. The media malpractice has to do with the hard left media machine of CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC and SNL planting irrelevant stuff in the minds of voters and also their obvious advocacy for Obama, the messiah who walks on water. What they did has little to do with journalism. They deliberately put inaccurate information out there knowing they could influence the outcome of the election. It was a pop-culture psychological trick, i.e. Palin being able to see Russia from her house. She never said that. As you can see in the video, that was a lie that was put out there by SNL. What relevance does that have in her ability to govern? People remembered that instead of which party controls Congress. It’s funny they couldn’t answer that one because it was those same voters who turned-over Congress in 2006. The media essentially “junked-up” public opinion by putting that stuff out there while at the same time ignored all the real controversies surrounding Obama with his very questionable dealings and associations. That’s the point in a nut shell. Personally I like Obama. It just saddens me that the media had to stoop that low.

Bohrstein said...

You're infuriating 11:58!

You mean to tell me that the FOX viewers (I guess they are the 'hard right') or Non-Obama supporters wouldn't be just as misinformed?

How many hard right people still think Obama is a freakin' terrorist?

Listen, I often watch CNN for news, and occasionally MSNBC... and yeah, I sometimes get my news from Comedy Central. But I was able to answer most of these questions. I think this study eludes more to a psychological tendency of people to gather evidence that supports some conclusion they have already come to. People don't seem to be naturally 'rational.'

It makes me sad to think that you view yourself as somehow detached from some 'machine' when you are clearly buying in to some nonsense from the other guys.

Summary: CNN, MSNBC, etc... they put the news out there fair and square. People have a tendency to find arguments that correlate in their favor, this study does not demonstrate the existence of some media conspiracy. So drop it, for fucks sake.

And for the record, Palin said she could see it from the coasts, Tina Fey said the word "Home" and then the interviewer used the word "House." Notice that everyone got that one wrong (save 0.5%). Know why? Because the word "home" is ambiguous!

And for the other record, the more names you drop of people working together, the more outrageous it seems that they are somehow participating in some sort of conspiracy. Think about it, what makes more sense? One news company 'fixing' the news, or six?

Think simply.

And if this message is riddled with mistakes, please forgive me because I have been up now for over 24 hours, and am full of coffee.

Anonymous said...

Bohrstein,

They have the power to decide what’s news worthy. That’s where they failed. Isn't it funny how the real important things like the controversies surrounding Obama's associations with ACORN, voter fraud, questionable dealings with other people’s money, his Senate voting record, W. Ayres, Rezco, J. Wright, J. Jackson, L. Farrakhan, K. Marx, etc… were marginalized and ignored entirely while SNL makes dumb jokes (not even funny) about Palin? They were too busy reporting stuff like Palin’s wardrobe that makes no difference whatsoever. Sure I agree FOX leans right, but they don’t filter out reports they don’t agree with like MSNBC does. They go after corrupt Republicans just the same. They also have several lib reporters like Jeraldo, Gretta & Colmbs. If a story comes out that hurts Republicans, FOX will always report it. Just look at O’Reilly. He’s always calling corrupt Reps. out on the carpet.

Bohrstein said...

It's hilarious *rolls eyes*.

You're too thick for me, I'm out.

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