Thursday, March 13, 2008

Bullying is working (Vietnamese flag issue)

.....(See Not Really a Banner Day at Irvine Valley College in this morning's Orange County Register.)
.....In this afternoon's OC Reg:
Little Saigon protests raise questions about freedoms
.....
Tien Van stands on the sidewalk outside Nguoi Viet Daily News holding a loud speaker in one hand and the South Vietnamese red-and-yellow flag in the other.
.....Behind her is a shrine that has been erected to a much larger version of the flag with a fruit offering and incense burning on a table below it. She and a dozen others are protesting the newspaper's publication of a photo that showed a foot spa bearing the flag colors. Van says the photo broke her heart.
....."Our flag is sacred," she said. "People sacrificed their lives for it. My father and brother died for this flag."
.....Anti-communist protests and demonstrations have come to be a way of life in Little Saigon, whose residents are mostly refugees who fled the communist regime after the fall of Saigon in April 1975. This area is home to the largest Vietnamese population outside of Vietnam.
.....But the recent wave of protests against Vietnamese publications such as the eight-month protest outside Viet Weekly in Garden Grove and the weeks-long demonstration outside Nguoi Viet Daily News in Little Saigon—as well as the threat of protests against Irvine Valley College over a campus flag exhibit that included the flag of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam—has led to debates about a clash of freedoms.
.....The protests, which have been peaceful in recent years, are escalating in seriousness. Nguoi Viet's leadership has reported threats and intimidation. Merchants on Main Street in Garden Grove say they are being bullied and business is being disrupted. Nguoi Viet has fired two top editors.
.....Scott Weimer, president of the Downtown Garden Grove Business Association and owner of the Viet Weekly building, said he is worried the protesters won't stop until the newspaper shuts down.
....."If the newspaper buckles down, it means that this type of mob bullying works," he said. "I understand their feelings about communism, but it doesn't justify the use of these fear tactics—the kind the communists probably use themselves."
.....Protesters accuse Viet Weekly of taking a pro-communist stance by profiling communist leaders, publishing their interviews as well as opinion pieces that favor communists.
.....Nguoi Viet, the largest Vietnamese daily published outside Vietnam, fired two of its top editors after the controversy over the foot spa photo, which was published in the newspaper's Lunar New Year special edition. The paper's editor issued a public apology after an internal investigation, admitting the photo was an error that should not have occurred.
.....The article was about an art exhibit at UC Berkeley of a foot spa created by a UC Davis student in honor of her mother-in-law who worked in nail salons to put her through college.
.....But the protests continue even after the apology and the firings. Protesters now say that they want a public hearing. The newspaper has not responded to that request and protesters say they won't stop until that happens. In recent weeks Nguoi Viet filed a lawsuit and asked for a restraining order against the protesters, alleging that they are threatening and harassing the newspaper's employees and customers.
.....The paper's attorney, Luan Tran, declined comment.
.....Trong Doan and Ky Ngo, who are heading the protest, deny those allegations.
....."We're not trouble makers," says Ngo. "We're here because we love our flag and don't want to see anyone disrespect it."
.....Hai Phan, an editor at Viet Bao Daily News, said the issue has been tough on the Little Saigon media.
....."My friends are on both sides and I feel like I'm stuck in between," he said. "I'm thinking about a lot of different issues right now, but I can't talk about them."
.....Protesters have the constitutional right to assemble and express their dissent peacefully, but when a newspaper buckles under the pressure, it makes a dent in the First Amendment, said Peter Scheer, executive director of the California First Amendment Coalition.
....."It's easy to understand why these are sensitive issues in the Vietnamese American community," he said. "But the newspaper has the right to exercise its First Amendment rights too and when the media's voice is silenced by protesters, it's a loss for all of us."
.....The constitution protects the minority point of view and the unpopular opinion as well, Scheer said.
.....The Westminster Police Department is "caught in between" in trying to protect the rights of property owners and businesses in Little Saigon and making sure that protesters follow the law, said Sgt. Dan Schoonmaker.
.....Schoonmaker says the Nguoi Viet demonstration has been different from previous protests in Little Saigon. Officers are investigating reported threats against employees' lives and at least one reported bomb threat at the newspaper, he said.
.....Detectives are trying to determine who is responsible and what connection, if any, exists between these threats of violence and the demonstration, Schoonmaker said. Police continue to respond to disturbances outside the paper several times a week aside from regular patrol checks, he said.
....."It's unusual to have such disturbances, code enforcement violations and criminal threats associated with a protest in Little Saigon," Schoonmaker said.
.....Ron Bauer [sic], professor of philosophy at Irvine Valley College, said he believes his college was "bullied" by members of the Vietnamese American community into taking down the colorful flag exhibit.
....."It's one thing to raise a concern," he said. "But it's another thing to come in with the threat of bringing in protesters. Such bullying tactics are, I hate to say it, very un-American."
.....But Westminster Councilman Andy Quach and Garden Grove Councilwoman Dina Nguyen, who spoke with college officials on behalf of the community, said it was not a threat.
....."In Bolsa (Avenue), protests are a way of life," Quach says. "Our people love freedom because they lived without it. Protests should be done legally and peacefully, but they should certainly not be viewed as threats or bullying."
.....Nguyen said protests are a legitimate way for community members to disagree with an opposing point of view.
....."The press is a bigger machine," she said. "But these are ordinary people and it takes a lot for them to get organized and express themselves."

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

Curiously paradoxical, considering the theme of Dissent the Blog.

Anonymous said...

The yellow flag folks "sacrificed their lives" for their flag and so did the red flag folks. But the red flag folks won. Theirs is the official flag, isn't it?

I don't think the SOCCD can do much about which flag is flown in Little Saigon, but if the question is which flag should be displayed in your hall of flags, then the answer is obvious.

Anonymous said...

No, the red flag folks didn't win. The American left handed them a concession by abandonment of an ally and Democratic friend when the red flag folks invaded the yellow flag folks' country. This after the agreement the red flag folks made during the Paris Peace Accord. No, the red flag folks did not win. But the American left can certainly be held responsible for the yellow flag people's loss. Shame on you!

Anonymous said...

so - no word from Glenn, yet?

Anonymous said...

As far as I know, no word from Glenn. He came to the Academic Senate yesterday, and so he had his chance to talk to faculty, but I guess he didn't take it (with regard to this issue anyway).

5:41: are you suggesting the DtB engages in bullying? How so. Give concrete instances please. I await your response.

Anonymous said...

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but hey, 8:18, whose flag is flying over Ho Chi Minh City? Huh?

Anonymous said...

Orange County!

The Land that Time Forgot!

Anonymous said...

And we can thank assholes like you, 10:33.

Anonymous said...

"Protesting is a way of life"--?

These people need a life.

Anonymous said...

12:02: Although I may be an asshole, at least I'm an asshole who can read.

There wouldn't have even been a South Vietnam without the US. Vietnam was temporarily divided in two after the French were defeated in 1954. There were supposed to be free elections within two years, but the US didn't allow them to take place--because, as Dwight Eisenhower said in his memoirs, Ho Chi Minh would have won 90% of the votes.

And, by the way, it was Richard Nixon who "abandoned" South Vietnam. I don't think anyone--with the possible execption of Orange County Republicans--would call him a leftist.

Chunk: I'm sorry about feeding the trolls. They should get their own blogs.

Anonymous said...

I am 22 years old student at IVC. I am second generation Vietnamese.
I see this fight among my parents. There are the practical older people who want to get business done and the older people with the taste defeat still in their mouth.
However my analysis of you is
It seems that you both left and right are reliving your youth here.
The anti Vietnam War crowd are for the Red Flag.
The "bomb them all and let god sort them out" crowd are for the yellow flag.
Come on the 60's and the 70's are over. My generation both here and back in Vietnam understand this concept.

Anonymous said...

You may indeed be correct, 2:55. And if true your generation has not acknowledged that you exist now in a country where you are free to do as you choose because so many before you sacrificed their blood. So be critical as you may but don't ever forget why you are where you are.

God bless you.

Anonymous said...

That's nice, 5:27, except we are not sure who "your generation" is, and they are certainly not free to do as they choose. We lead the world in imprisonment, if you didn't notice.

Roy's obituary in LA Times and Register: "we were lucky to have you while we did"

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