Thursday, December 21, 2006

Forcing the issue can suck



▼▲ BACK IN THE 60s, I was a Boy Scout, a member of Troop 850 in Villa Park. Later, my dad and I started a troop in the Anaheim Hills (Troop 536, sponsored by Trinity Lutheran Church).

In those days, attitudes were different of course. Scoutmasters routinely led kids in rituals of simple-minded “love it or leave it” patriotism. My troop admired the local Marines. (I still admire them pretty much as I did then.) But I don’t recall any Scout leader ever supporting or even mentioning the war. The war was viewed as too political, too much a matter of personal opinion (among parents—kids didn't talk much about the war).

And I don’t recall an emphasis on religion. For us Scouts, religion came up as an annoying break in the fun on Sunday mornings on campouts. For an hour, Protestants would go off to do their thing and Catholics would go off to do theirs. (Other groups were accommodated whenever possible.) Mostly, though, religion was viewed as each Scout’s private business. And if a kid was a non-believer, an effort was usually made to keep him out of the crosshairs of bigotry.

I do not recall homosexuality being addressed in any way. Admittedly, Boy Scout leaders viewed male homosexuality as most people did in those days. But there was no explicit policy about it or against it. No one ever talked about it.

● WELL, AS YOU KNOW, that changed. Much later, the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) embraced an explicit policy of exclusion of atheists and, especially, gays. Back in 2002, the BSA adopted a Resolution according to which
…homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the traditional values espoused in the Scout Oath and Law and … an avowed homosexual cannot serve as a role model for the values of the Oath and Law
I appreciate the problem for BSA posed by Scout leaders who are “avowed homosexuals” (although there’s avowed and then there’s avowed). It isn’t always good to force an issue as some gay Scout leaders evidently did. Sometimes, that sort of thing makes matters worse.

But why did the BSA have to embrace the notion that “homosexual conduct” is contrary to Scout values? Why go there?

So the BSA went where it went, and that involved the BSA self-identifying as a kind of private religious organization that excludes certain people.

● A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION? Well, the BSA may want to find the guy who counsels Scouts on their “Litigation” merit badges, ‘cause the California Supreme Court will soon consider whether the BSA are ineligible for receiving state aid, seeing as how they’re some kind of religious organization! Here are excerpts from this morning’s San Francisco Chronicle (High court may take up question of Scouts' religious status):
Six years ago, the Boy Scouts convinced the U.S. Supreme Court that their deep-seated principles gave them a constitutional right to exclude gays and atheists. Now the California Supreme Court has been asked to look at the other side of that coin—whether the Scouts are a religious organization ineligible for certain types of government aid….

U.S. District Judge Napoleon Jones ruled in 2003 that the Scouts—who require members and leaders to believe in God, and who have numerous faith-based programs—are a "religious organization with a religious purpose and a faith-based mission.'' He said the city's preferential treatment, granting a no-bid lease [of property, in San Diego] to the Scouts for a nominal fee, was therefore unconstitutional.

The federal appeals panel wants the state Supreme Court to decide whether the lease violates the state Constitution's strict bans on government aid and preferences for religious institutions….
The ACLU is involved. It doesn’t look good for the BSA.

● ACCORDING TO JUBAL at the conservative OC Blog, the “The Orange County United Way has cut all funding to the Orange County Council [OC Boy Scouts] from 2006-2009.” That factoid yesterday inspired the OC Register’s Steven Greenhut to opine: “The [OC United Way] has given some excuse for no longer funding the scouts, but the Boy Scouts have been long under attack for not accepting gays.”

Greenhut could be right about the United Way’s true motives, I suppose.

● "FORGET THAT ORDER." This stuff reminds me of a story told by former WAC Johnnie Phelps.
(Note: since I first wrote this post, I have become aware that some knowledgeable, if partisan, individuals assert that Phelps' account is fabricated or the result of delusion. See, for instance, the research of Lois Beck, Pat Jernigan, Margaret Salm.)
Phelps claimed to have an encounter with General Dwight Eisenhower (when, according to her, she served on his staff during the postwar occupation of Europe) in which Ike saw the wisdom in not forcing the "lesbian" issue. Here’s Randy Shilt’s account (see page 107) of that conversation:
…Phelps admired Eisenhower as a soldier’s soldier who genuinely cared for his troops and would never order them to do something he would not do himself. Out of respect for Eisenhower, Phelps would never have lied to him, which was why she knew how to answer the day he called her into his office and said he had heard reports that there were lesbians in the WAC battalion. He wanted a list of their names, he said, so he could get rid of them. That, Phelps suspected, would be a tall order, since she estimated 95 percent of the WAC battalion … was lesbian.

“Yes, sir,” Phelps said to the general, according to her later account. She would make the list, if that was the order. Then she reminded Eisenhower that the WAC battalion at his headquarters was one of the most decorated in the Army. It performed superbly, had the fewest unauthorized absences, the least number of venereal-disease cases, and the most infrequent number of pregnancies of any WAC group anywhere. Getting rid of the lesbians would mean losing competent file clerks, typists, and a large share of the headquarters’ key personnel. “I’ll make your list,” Phelps concluded in her crackling North Carolina accent, “but you’ve got to know that when you get the list back, my name’s going to be first.”

Eisenhower’s secretary, also in the room, corrected the sergeant. “Sir,” the secretary said, “if the General pleases, Sergeant Phelps will have to be second on the list. I’m going to type it. My name will be first.”

According to Phelps, Eisenhower looked at her, looked at the secretary, shook his head, and said, “Forget that order. Forget about it.”
(For a discussion of the factual refutation of Phelps' story, see comments below.)

▼▲ This morning, I read about some undertakers making a beefcake calendar for charity: R.I.P. the shirt!. See the pic (Men of Mortuaries) above. I put it up there to catch your eye. I can be tricky like that.

Um, plus it’s a slow news day.

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

Chunk, you're obviously gay.

Right?

Rebel Girl said...

Well, no. I'm not.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Anonymous said...

hey - Rebel Girl didn't post this!

Anonymous said...

Read with interest -- just one thing wrong with quoting Johnnie Phelps. The whole incident was a figment of her imagination. She was a WAC, but served in the USA (Langley Field, VA) in the summer and fall of 1945. Discharged late in 1945, she reenlisted in May 1946. She did serve briefly in Frankfurt, Germany but did not arrive until Oct 1946 -- one year AFTER Gen Eisenhower returned to the USA to be Army Chief of Staff. Phelps was never a combat medic, didn't serve in the South Pacific, didn't watch her lover killed on D-Day (no WACs landed on D-Day either), was never decorated for heroism, and never served anywhere near Gen Eisenhower. It would be helpful if someone would check the facts before repeating this untrue tale!

Anonymous said...

Dear 4:24

Thanks for the input. I've inserted mention of challenges to Phelps' account of the incident and of her military record.

I agree that one should "check the facts." When respected journalists cite a story or interview, that provides one with a prima facie reason to suppose that their source is likely reliable. (As I recall, Shilts was careful to refer to Phelps' account as just that, an account.)

That persons have emerged who dispute Phelps' story is not enough to establish the facts to the contrary of Phelps, though, depending on the details, this could give one a reason to research the matter more thoroughly.

On the other hand, if Phelps lied, it wouldn't be the first time that a story is endlessly repeated despite being fabricated. Remember when Gloria Steinem went around asserting that 50,000 (or some such high number) girls and women die of eating disorders each year? It's closer to one or two hundred.

Here, an alleged "fact" was revealed to be no fact at all. I say that because, in the Steinem case, a careful scholar researched this matter carefully and can document her claims to the contrary. Not sure yet about the broadsides against Phelps.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for being open minded!

When you look at the MANY repeats of Phelps' story there is one source: Phelps herself. Where other sources are quoted they invariably refer to sources that are quoting Phelps.

You can get information on Phelps' military record through the National Archives, National Personnel Records Center, St Louis, MO using a SF 180 request for information. Phelps full name is Nell Louise Phelps; her service number is A-410913 and her SSN is 239-26-2334. She was born in NC Apr 4, 1922 and died in CA Dec 30, 1997.

It can take a while, but her army record will show where she served, when she was there, her rank (or lack there of), her military speciality was, and medals received. The latter were "I was there" medals that are given to every soldier who serving during the specific time covered.

The most imaginative account of Phelps army exploits is in Mary Ann Humphry's "My Country, My Right to Serve." Can't comment on her claims about a miserable, unfortunate childhood and marriage, but her tales of her army service are virtually all untrue.

Shilts was known for carefully checking his facts. Unfortunately the final editing of "Conduct Unbecoming" was done after his death.

People who make outrageous, false claims about military service irritate (to put it mildly) other veterans.

//s// Irritated Vet

Anonymous said...

Dear 3:17

Perhaps you noticed that the link I added in my post (click on the word "disputed") is research by Lois Beck, Pat Jernigan, Margaret Salm. These women served in the military and are knowledgealbe (I checked) and would have no difficulty finding the necessary data to verify or discredit much of Phelps' account.

I don't have time to pursue the data to which you (and the aforementioned women) refer, but I am impressed enough to add a stronger warning in the text of the post. Thanks.

Roy's obituary in LA Times and Register: "we were lucky to have you while we did"

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