The CSEA chapter 586 website has some helpful information. For instance, there, one can find the current constitution (a pdf file).
The relevant section of the constitution states the following:
When there is more than one (1) nominee for an office, a secret ballot election shall be conducted on the day scheduled for the December Chapter meeting. Balloting shall be conducted at such times and at campus site locations as determined by the Chapter President. Hours for balloting shall be set so that polls will close prior to the start of the Chapter meeting.Delores Irwin is the Public Relations officer for the chapter. According to the website (see), among the “Chapter 586 blogs prepared by Delores Irwin” is 586 News. 586 News is more polished and more interesting than the chapter website. Check it out.
Here's a recent post on 586 News (Dec. 6). It is entitled “On the Campaign Trail”:
Whispers. Gossip. Innuendo.“Silly season”?
In a CSEA election?
Really?
Read below for a reality check. Fortunately, silly season will end Election Day, Dec. 16. Watch your email for details about how to vote. [My emphasis.]
The “below” seems to refer to the previous post (Dec. 4), which presents three “myths,” including Myth 3:
Special accommodations are being made for Saddleback swing shift to vote outside the established voting hours in the upcoming election, but the same accommodations are not being made for IVC swing shift.Wow. It is certainly true that the existing constitution precludes voting on the day before the meeting, but one wonders why those who drafted the constitution would embrace this “same day” rule given that, among members, there are some who work the swing shift (and graveyard). Given these “round the clock” hours, embrace of this rule virtually guarantees member disenfranchisement.
Truth:
At the time this rumor was floated, the hours for the election had not yet been set. The CSEA constitution outlines the rules for the election, establishing that the election must be held on the day of the December chapter meeting, and balloting must be concluded before the start of the chapter meeting – 12:30 PM.
Members of the IVC swing shift complained that their shift – 4:30 PM - 1:00 AM, does not allow them to vote during the scheduled time of 8:00 AM - 12:00 PM. They claimed that the Saddleback swing shift was being allowed to vote the night before the election. [My emphasis.]
2nd VP Kathe Nunez' response: "In the past, according to our Constitution and Bylaws, voting [by membership] for E Board members was only allowed at the campus where the December meeting was scheduled. This eliminated many, many members who could not take the time from their work schedule to travel to the other campus to vote.
"For the two years that I have been on the E Board, we have worked to update the Constitution to make it more relevant to our members. One of the big changes was to allow voting to take place at both campuses. [My emphasis.]
"The polls on both campuses will open at 6 AM and close at 12 PM. I will be at the Saddleback campus before 6 AM (2 hours earlier and using my vacation time) in order to have the polls open for our members. This is the same time that the polls will be open at IVC. Both campuses are being treated exactly the same.
"As with any voting process in our government, we need to follow the rules. In voting for President of the United States, the polls are not open the day before to accommodate someone who can't make it to the polls at the assigned hours. I don't like getting up two hours earlier than usual, but I will be there. Will you?"
Equally importantly, Nunuz’ remark ignores other options, such as the suggestion to open the polls from midnight to 1:00 a.m. and then again from 6:00 a.m. to 12:00 noon—all on the 16th. This would entail opening the polls one extra hour.
Who you calling "silly"? |
Such a scheme was provided this morning by our old pal down south, Phil Lopez:
Bottom line: Everybody should get to vote. Period.Unfortunately, the existing 586 constitution precludes use of Lopez’ method for this election, owing to that bothersome rule about the voting occurring “on the day” of the chapter meeting. (Perhaps a variation is still possible: skip the mail; place the envelope in a box on the 16th.)
100 miles down the road from you all, we had, several decades ago, the same problem. Elections for the faculty union were scheduled on just one weekday from noon 'til four in the afternoon. Full-time faculty were (nearly) all on campus at that time, but only a fraction of part-timers. All it took was a call to CTA to change the election rules.
Here's a simple solution for CSEA: Vote by inter/intra campus mail.
1. Everyone gets two envelopes (a small one and a large one) and a ballot in his/her mailbox at work.
2. Fill out the ballot, and put it in the smaller envelope. Do not write anything on the envelope.
3. Put the smaller envelope inside the larger envelope, seal it, sign your name over the seal, print your name on the outside, and send it to CSEA's campus mailbox.
4. Give everyone a week to do this.
5. When the union gets all the envelopes, it can check—by looking at the outside of the big envelopes—to make sure that only eligible members vote and to make sure that everyone votes only once. You've got ballot security.
6. Open all the big envelopes. Take out the smaller envelopes containng the ballots. Now you've got secret ballots because there are no names on them.
7. Count 'em.
Sure, this takes more time, and, sure, it's a pain in the ass to get two envelopes and a ballot into every union member's mailbox, but it's secure and fair. Democracy is often messy and time-consuming, but it beats any alternative.
By the way, it's inevitable that some folks will fail to follow directions and screw up this two-envelope system. When you're counting ballots, you simply put the mis-marked envelopes to one side without opening them. Then count the ballots from the envelopes that were marked correctly. If a candidate wins by, say, 50 votes and there are only 10 mis-marked envelopes, then there's no problem. If the election is close and the mis-marked envelopes will affect the outcome, then you'll need a committee of ballot counters (which you should have in the first place) to ageee on some ad-hoc rules to determine which envelopes to open and count. These decisions usually are common-sense.
The midnight-to-1 suggestion is still alive. Why not go with that and then change the constitution once again—this time seriously embracing enfranchisement of members?
One more thing. The writer of the "silly season" post evidently regards as silly those who complain that polling is set up in a manner such that they cannot vote.
—Yes, I know. She's saying that the "Saddleback gets to vote the day before" rumor is silly. But underlying that rumor is a serious concern: you've set things up so that we can't vote.
Silly?
Really?
22 comments:
Aagin, if it were flipped and the election ran from 6 PM to midnight - can you imagine the complaints?
So workers to work until 1:00 AM are supposed to stay up for another, oh 5 hours and return to work to vote - or else arrive hours early in order to vote and then - what, stay until their shift starts?
I think the people in power are taking advantage of their power instead of being responsible with it. Their dismissive attitude is really offensive.
They should admit the oversight and make arrangements. Why not.
making fun of their members's concerns about voting (i.e., "silly season") is a bad move.
NLRB + National Labor Relations Board.
Yeah, seems to be a scam or a really stupid oversight. I mean, the local represents ALL workers - not just those who work 6- noon.
Now they're going to complain that people are complaining. Love it.
What don't they understand about the nature of a labor union?
I think when people make mistakes its hard for them to say they're wrong (ego gets in the way) so instead they say the people they wronged were wrong.
If the voting procedures are found to be restrictive (whether through deliberation or oversight) the results of the election can be overturned. The local is likely to lose money on this too (fines, legal fees, etc.) as well as time and resources better spent doing the business of the local.
I wonder if the disenfranchisment of this group of voters is related to any of the candidates running for office?
Does one candidate benefit more than another if these workers are discrouaged from voting?
Missed the last few days of "silly season" boy, Delores Irwin sure is opinionated (and it is openly displayed in her CSEA Blog). We appreciate the "few at IVC" (as Delores puts it)who stand up for what is right and are willing to challenge the CSEA E(stands for ego)Board.
It's been clear to employees at Saddleback and IVC that the current CSEA slate running for office is scared...we keep getting emails and blogs about heresay, rumors, etc., but it is all coming from them to try to discourage employees from voting for people who want to make a change and have real leadership!
Hopefully when the election is over we will find that the "chosen ones" have been voted out and that new leadership will bring a change to the way the union has been run.
They could adjust their chapter meeting time so that the voting is open through the time that the swing shift started...
(What foolish, shortsighted rules - voting MUST be conducted AND finished on the SAME day as and BEFORE the chapter meeting occurs...?!?)
I wonder if they consulted CSEA when they created that rule - seems very odd for two campuses that have considerable numbers of people working evenings and late nights. It benefits the daytime workers and penalizes those who work the night shifts. No accomodation was made.
The chapter president can adjust the meeting time to accomodate the night shift at IVC. After nummerous requests from the entire night shift and their supporters, she has decided not to make those accomodations.
Dolores hasn't included a comment area on the blog, she has made errors in some of her statements, but doesn't seem to want any open discussion on it.
Thank you to the good open-minded people of the Dissent who have taken the time to write about this. I do like the idea of doing a mail in ballot. Sounds like a great idea. That way everyone gets a chance to vote.
Happy Holiday!!!
First off, maybe I am dating myself, but "silly season" is an expression used to describe the antics that happen during elections. You have a right to misconstrue my meaning if you wish.
Second, we are not opposed to further changing election rules. However, it is too late for this year - even the moving of the chapter meeting time, because of notice rules.
I am a little deficient on CSEA history, and don't have time to be a CSEA constitution scholar, but I do know that our constitution is based on a template provided by state CSEA. http://members.csea.com/MemberHome/Portals/0/csea_pdf/pub_119.pdf
Judging from the template, it is standard practice for CSEA chapters to allow voting only at the December meeting each year. Mostly likely this is because most CSEA chapters are k-12 and comprise many campuses. That is most likely the reason it has been done that way all this time, even though it doesn't really make sense. Really, most of the time people don't care who is on the board. I have said before - there is not a huge benefit to being on this board, which is why I am mystified by all the interest.
Personally, I am open to most kinds of voting that won't require our tellers having to give up their valuable vacation hours in order to tend the ballot box. I'm sorry we didn't predict that this would have turned out to be such a major issue, and therefore come up with a more inclusive solution. Again, nobody questioned it, even in 2008, when a long-time board member from Saddleback was turned out of office by a margin of two votes - and the voting happened at IVC. The results likely would have been different had the election been held at Saddleback.
There is nothing nefarious going on here. We are not professional board members, we are classified staff members fitting in our CSEA obligations during lunch and after work and on weekends. (We do not have the luxury of having flexible schedules like faculty!)
We have to spend our limited resources - and volunteers - on issues that appear to be the most pressing. It really is as simple as that. This year our major concerns were the state elections and, as always, job issues.
For many years the incumbents have won their seats by default because they ran virtually unopposed. This is due to both the membership’s reluctance to get involved in the process, and their being disenfranchised at the polls. I’m now really impressed with the new enthusiasm this controversy has generated, and IT’S ABOUT TIME! I am a swing-shifter; unfortunately the polls will close before I get to work. This time around I will have to be inconvenienced by a few hours in order to make a difference, a difference that will be well worth it indeed because there NEEDS TO BE CHANGE IN OUR LEADERSHIP as they HAVE NOT BEEN REPRESENTING US, THE MEMBERS! Their allegiance to their members has been upside down for far too long; seems their all self-important junketeering has been their only priority! This polling situation definitely needs to change for future elections.
i guess my 30 bucks a month for dues is not well spent. plus i pay another 2.50 for the victory club so that i can vote.
what a freaking joke!
Yeah that is the other thing that is off with the csea sill club. everyone pays 29.50 monthly membership dues, however if you want to vote you pay another 2.50 and if you are really gung ho you pay another buck for some other gig.
this whole "silly slap in our faces" has showed me the current csea officers their true colors.
Folks, it's not the NLRB, its PERB, the Public Employee Relations Board. You may consider filing a Policy 606 against your current E-Board.
Another thing: After this coming election, Shanna will still be sitting on the new E-Board as a “Past President” operating in an advisory capacity. Members should file complaints to disqualify her from this post. After all, it was she who stepped down, so why should she then have any further involvement on our newly elected E-Board?
It is common to have the Prez serve next as "former Prez" for the sake of continuity. No doubt, it is written into the chapter's constitution, and I doubt that there is a reason to oppose that rule, since continuity is important. The main thing now is to make sure you elect the right people to office. BvT
In response to 2:59pm and 3:26pm the past president is a member of the board but really has no say in anything. The position is not in charge of anything. Due to the "ill will" and mudslinging from her I am sure that Shanna will not have any desire to serve. Even in the past Board meeting Shanna said on camera that she was looking forward to new blood on the CSEA board.
I do like the idea of having an online election process, super idea. Classified Senate could use it as well since there is always someone who fills out a ballot and forgets to sign their name.
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