Saturday, July 5, 2008

Sure, voters generally are stupid, but conservative voters are mega-stupid

.....As I’m sure you know, newspapers are going down the drain, and they’re going down fast, man. In the last year or so, we’ve heard about serious downsizing over at the OC Reg and the LA Times. People are scrambling to keep their jobs. It’s sad.
.....It’s also sad to see what some of these papers are willing to do to juice up their readership. The OC Register seems to have decided to focus on “cute baby” contests. The Reg is pandering to silliness and stupidity, and since this is Orange County, that's bound to work.
.....Yesterday, the Reg asked people a question guaranteed to elicit the stupid: “What does patriotism mean to you?”
.....Actually, despite the title, the Reg really asked a slightly different question: “How do you define patriotism?” Some people, of course, provided perfectly intelligent, albeit hackneyed, answers. Patriotism, said one woman, is standing up for what you believe in. OK.
.....Naturally, lots of people approached by the Reg didn’t really answer the question, evidently understanding it instead as a prompt to say “patriotic” things. For instance, according to a Westminster resident, patriotism means “freedom.” “We're free to do what we want, most of the time,” he says.
.....That’s some definition of patriotism, boy. I wish they’d have asked me. I woulda said, “patriotism is my Chrysler 300.” I woulda asked the reporter if he wanted a Coke, whereupon I would have handed him a bone.
.....A Santa Ana man defines patriotism as “This country is the best place to be in the world.”
.....Well, OK. These people were probably pretty rattled by the reporter and camera person. We don’t want to read too much into their answers.
.....Still.

ASSERTIVE/CONFIDENT + IGNORANT = STUPID

.....Most people aren’t really stupid, of course. But, clearly, most people are very ignorant. Maybe they’ve got an excuse—they’re awful busy, etc.—but, without question, they don’t know their asses from holes in the ground.
.....What's worse, most of ‘em don’t seem to be aware of their ignorance. I say that because they’re often pretty confident in their “stupid” views. They assert them boldly, loudly. They're like little Bill O'Reillys.
.....Obviously, most voters are ignoramuses. Election campaigns are incredibly stupid, and voters are clueless. Mostly. I suspect that I'm stating the obvious. But this is a problem, right? Democracy doesn't work when people are stupid. It goes seriously off the rails.

.....Have you heard about Jeff Shenkman’s new book? Shenkman is an associate professor of history at George Mason University and he’s the founder/editor of GMU’s History News Network. His latest book is Just How Stupid Are We?: Facing the Truth About the American. According to Publishers Weekly,

Shenkman … makes the provocative argument that as American voters have gained political power in the last 50 years, they have become increasingly ignorant of politics and world affairs—and dangerously susceptible to manipulation. The book provides a litany of depressing statistics—most Americans cannot name their representatives in Congress, only 20% hold a passport, 30% cannot identify the Holocaust—as Shenkman inquires whether Americans are capable of voting in the nation's or even their own best interests. …[H]is concern is genuine and heartfelt. …[He] illustrates how politicians have repeatedly misled voters and analyzes the dumbing down of American politics via marketing, spin machines and misinformation….

.....It must have been easy to write this book. But Shenkman seems like a smart guy. Some impressive people, including our pal John Wiener, have praised the book.
.....Shenkman’s made the rounds, I guess, on the usual talk shows. Here he is on the Daily Show (June 11):



.....One thing Shenkman doesn’t say on his “Daily Show” appearance is that there’s an asymmetry in our stupidity. Sure, there’s assertive ignoramutude clear across the political spectrum, but, as you move toward the conservative end, you get lots more stupidity. For instance, a majority of the people who reelected George W Bush thought that Saddam Hussein was behind 9-11. (The people who voted for Kerry weren't nearly so clueless.) Really.
.....Lots of ‘em still think that.
.....They’re mega-stupid.

• Here's a video in which Shenkman lays out his view (in the new book) more systematically: Just how stupid are we? He discusses the Iraq war and the history of American elections.

Bryan Caplan, an economist, offers a theory regarding the irrationality of voters. For a review of Caplan's book (The Myth of the Rational Voter), see Fractured Franchise (in the New Yorker).

• I do not doubt that one can be conservative and intelligent. I do not regard the relative stupidity of "conservative voters" as an argument against conservatism. Still, in all honesty, I continue to be mystified that apparently intelligent people ever saw anything in George W. Bush other than a lout. I mean that. It is a puzzle. Can you help me out?

10 comments:

Bohrstein said...

You can have a beer with the guy - duh.

And I mean that in both the way it sounds, and as people perceive him. Look at the press Obama got because he, dare I say it, acted intelligently. What a stuck-up!

But I'd bet you knew that already.

torabora said...

When we had Albore and John effin' Kerry as alternatives we put the clothes pin on our noses and voted for "the lout". After his dad calls off the dogs 40 miles from Bahgdad and compounds his mistake by lying about tax increases most of us R's didn't want squat to do with his spawn. eeeeeewww!

Remember that "not gonna do it" ? Well we did it. At least we got Alito and Roberts out of the deal (while dodging that Meyers bullet).

Demoncats are perverse though, they always drag out these socialists and paint them to look like "centrists". The paint's thin too. Now they're doing it again with BO. They only way he's got a chance is that McAmnesty is so past his prime that voters may mistake him for Bobdole and write in that Texas fella with the big ears.

Anonymous said...

My younger sister in law has just graduated from UCI with some BFA, and her family is extremely liberal. My wife tends to think about her choices, and usually leans left. My sister in law, however, checks the box "Democrat." I tried reasoning with her that while I agree with "Change," she is essentially making the same mistake that rednecks all over America did 8 and 4 years ago, by checking the box "Republican." Even my father is harping on me for not being a staunch conservative. To him, McCain's military resume means quite a bit, despite my cries that as a former soldier, they mean nothing to me. Unfortunately, people that I have come across just are not interested in doing any work to find out who they may like concerning "the issues." It's just much easier for my father, who voted for, and was happy with Reagan, to think that all Republicans will be like him. And, the last 8 years were an anomaly, not a true representation of conservatism. To him, McCain is not Bush 3.

Oh well.

Anonymous said...

Ah! So sick of questions about wives, parotism, and if Obama or McCaine like to drink beer or read the bible. Jeez! Enough! Lets talk policy. I don't care if the politician is a fun guy or not. In fact, a un-fun guy probably be better at the job. This isn't voting for the next American Idol, this is how we vote for the leader of the western world. Unbelievable.

torabora said...

8:50 What? Aren't you an American?

Whadda you you mean Unbelievable? We've been doing this since Nixon!

Getta clothespin and vote!

Roy Bauer said...

This "clothespin" idea would make sense if Kerry were worse than Bush. Kerry wasn't much, to be sure, but by what logic can it be thought that a mediocre and uninspired middle-of-the roader like Kerry could have mucked things up like Bush has?

We could discuss anything, but take the war alone, Bush's war. Think of the cost (in every sense) of this disastrous adventure. Any potential expense by any liberal would be dwarfed by the actual cost of this war. Even simply in dollars.

And does anyone at this point deny that the invasion has been counter-productive re American security? Instead of making ourselves safer, we have inspired hatred in millions.

And then there's the corruption: how the country was manipulated into war. Who benefited and continues to benefit. Etc.

Help me out here. What am I missing?

I remain mystified.

Anonymous said...

Um, actually, W LOST the 2000 election, if you recall.

Roy Bauer said...

Yes, he lost, but he seemed actually to win in 2004.

Anonymous said...

Remember Ohio in '04?

Roy Bauer said...

We hear at Dissent are well aware of Ohio '04. Recently, we posted something (essentially) about that mess. (See the post "for conspiracy fans.")

Surely, 12:54, you do no doubt that many millions of people voted for Bush in '04 (and in '00)?

And that is remarkable and disturbing, whether Mr. Bush actually "won" or not.

Roy's obituary in LA Times and Register: "we were lucky to have you while we did"

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