SOME READERS have asked to see the “district/trustee RESPONSE” to the Accreditors that suddenly materialized at Monday’s meeting of the SOCCCD board of trustees.
Well, here it is (at the end of this post; click on the images to make them larger).
Background:
As you know, teams at Saddleback College and Irvine Valley College have been working for months now—in accordance with Accreditation guidelines, which require openness, broad input, and careful documentation—to write the latest in a series of reports to the accrediting commission. The accreditors have asked that the colleges take steps to address such problems as continuing trustee meddling and the prevailing atmosphere of “despair" (caused largely by the policies and actions of the Chancellor and board).
These latest reports are due to the Accreditors in October, but anything sent to them must be approved by the board in September, for the board meets only once a month. That's why the teams provided their drafts this month.
On Monday (see Machinations SNAFU!), at the “eleventh hour,” this accusatory and undocumented response appeared, without warning. Further, Chancellor Mathur, with typical ruthlessness and indifference to process, ordered the teams at Saddleback and IVC simply to “incorporate” the unvetted document into the Accreditation Focused Midterm Reports that they have just finished writing.
During Monday's discussion, trustee Milchiker asked who authored the Response. She received no clear answer. We still don't know exactly who was involved in writing it, beyond Mathur. (Based on the character of the board discussion, it seems likely that trustee Wagner had a hand in writing it.)
I present the 7-page RESPONSE below. Just click on the image, and it should enlarge sufficiently that you’ll be able to read it.
WATCH THE DISCUSSION:
You can actually watch Monday night’s discussion by going to Board Video.
Click on the link; then, at the district site, click on "video," at the bottom right. Look for the “jump to” area. Jump to the section of the meeting devoted to item 7.1. Look just below the video image. You’ll see a timer. Using that timer (and manipulating the green slider) you should be able to go directly to the following points in the discussion:
2:27
Chancellor Mathur’s introduction (to 7.1)
2:29
Trustee Don Wagner’s support of the Response document
2:30:45
Trustee John Williams’ support
2:35
Randy Anderson (representing Saddleback College’s report), offering concerns about the response.
2:38:36
Mary Williams (also representing Saddleback College’s report), offering further concerns.
2:41:08
Irvine Valley College Academic Senate President Wendy Gabriella, offering detailed concerns.
2:50:15
Board President Dave Lang responding (especially to Wendy)
2:52:30
Wagner again
3:01:24
Mathur. At 3:04:45, Mathur explains that IVC's example of Chancellor micromanagement (the goals he gave IVC's President) is "shocking."
3:08:57
Trustee Marcia Milchiker offers concerns about the “response.” At 3:11:07, she rejects some elements of the “response,” despite its supposedly representing the view of the board. At 3:11:50 she asks, “Who wrote it?” She gets no clear answer.
3:19
Mathur decries mistreatment of the board at the hands of Accred report authors.
3:22
Milchiker worries about impression of “continuing dissention” that including the “response” will leave.
3:22:45
Trustee Nancy Padberg complains that the board “minority” was not invited to participate in the writing of the “response.”
3:25:30
Wendy notes that the “response” obviously fails to represent all seven trustees.
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21 comments:
Don't your trustees want your colleges to be fully accredited?
Our trustes and especially our chancellor want jack-booted genuflecting and saluting. The problems in this district are without question the Chancellor and his bloated $300K contract and four of the 7 trustees. It has been a decade of damage and loss of personel, moral blight, demoralization, and more.
Everything in the SOCCCD is secondary to the feeding of the Chancellor's sick narcissism.
The worst part of it is two of those four trustees, Lang and Wagner, know the truth but they are not man enough to do the right thing. As publically elected trustees they are not watching out for this district
Move on, 11:07. There are other jobs out there I'm sure you're qualified for.
That picture of Marsha looks like she just crapped in her chair.
"8:23"
You can't handle the truth.
Just for the record, pursuant to accreditation guidelines, the board does NOT "approve" the college's accreditation report. The BOT simply recieves the report as an information item.
Wendy
Anyone want to have a little fun at the next Board Meeting? Ask te Board how much it has spent in legal fees with its patently frivolous defense of Board Policy 4000.2 Look it up at occourts.org
You will see there has been a lot of paper filed in this case. At $350/hr or so david Urnan
(maybe more for what's her face... Mary Dowell, the full partner on the case), it adds up quick. I'll bet at least a quarter million dollars. Now that BP 4000.2 is *facially* illegal, they're taking this to trial to find out: did the district suspend me for my internet viewing, or refusing to meet (a third time) with the Littpe pirana, Lise Telson? Or, did that even count as "discipline" at all? Find out in Courtroom c-23 Sept. 25, 2007
Patrick Crosby
http://www.corruptioncollege.com
The Board certainly has a right to their view of things and But if the Chancellor and the "Board leadership" had any common sense, their controversial document (and it is certainly controversial) should have been shared with the various governance groups BEFORE the Trustees public meeting in order to iron out whatever differences were possible to resolve. Also, it seems that several Board members were not fully aware of the significance of this document. Instead, what the public witnessed was a shameful display of acrimony, misunderstandings, and accusations. We don't need this and we all expect better from the Chancellor and the Board leadership.
The infamous Patrick appears - one fun and crazy guy!
I watched the board meeting and it is obvious that Wagner is trying to get his name in the paper again for being a neanderthal.
First it was the ALA and now he wants to take on the "Academic" Senate.
Marcia had it right with the "we dont want to shoot ourselves in the foot" comment but she was too conciliatory.
When bullies such as Wagner and (lets end the meeting) Fuentes go unchallenged they get more obscene with their behavior.
Are you going to let them off the hook again in the next election as you did in the last election?
There's only one thing worse than a Neanderthal, java mike - a self-righteous condescending leftist who thinks their shit doesn’t stink.
8:20
Are you the guy from the Geico commercial? Did I offend you? If I did why?
For your information I have served this country as an infantryman in the U.S. Army. I bet you have not! Anyone who comes here to throw insults as anonymous is a coward and cowards usually wash out in Basic.
So I am not a leftist but someone who believe in standing up to bullies and fighting for freedom speech, to bear arms....
Actually the source of my outrage is the smell of B.S. that comes from people like you.
About the self-righteousness you may have a point but you sound like one too.
Java Mike's still carrying a grudge because the union didn't back him over Wagner. At least he served in the infantry.
Huh?
Let it go, Java.
Oooohhhh! For a former doggy grunt you really are quite sensitive, aren't you mikey? Read my post, you silly trained killer and you will see it is not directed at you personally, but is simply a statement comparing Neanderthals and leftists. Perhaps that is why you served in the army - not smart enough to understand the written word.
Chunk - why is it you liberals use the words "shocked" and "concerned" so much? Everyone who leans to the left seems to always be "shocked" or "concerned" about something. I'm thinking it's because you expect someone else to always change their ways because liberals think it's easier to change the world than it is to change themselves. But, I know you will set me straight in my errant thinking. Please help.
It is not a grudge but disappointment.
I was disappointed to see how the hate for one man (Ragu) can blind so many intelligent people. I watched the Union endorse Lang because he appeared to be anti Ragu (we know where that went) and I will bet Wagner promised them to consider the Ragu matter too.
I have no desire to be a politician. what I care about is the colleges (Saddleback and IVC) that helped me as a returning veteran get educated.
My dislike for Wagner and Fuentes is their desire to play politics with this great institutions. I would support any candidate that steps forward and promises to stop the politics and let the faculty go back to educating our students, instead of protesting against some provocative board action.
The problem is everyone shakes their fists in the air but does nothing to challenge them where it counts at the ballot box.
8:17--The title "shocked" quotes Mathur. See video of his remarks Monday.
Good points, 10:02, but the ballot box argument is problematic mainly because the voting public pays little or no attention to these positions.
They see "incumbent" and generally vote for that person. So, the usual suspects just stay in charge. These lower level positions probably should not be subject to elections, but by appointment from the academic community.
Mike:
Sure, there are those who "hate" Raghu Mathur, but I don't think that hatred for the fellow is a significant factor here at all. Mathur is opposed because he is offensive and he is terrible for the district. For instance, to the extent that this is permitted by the board, he will always create a culture of fear among his administrative inferiors. That's what he's about. Excellence and integrity are not rewarded. They are generally rooted out, with some exceptions. (It is widely felt that, e.g., Poertner & Serban are highly competent and honest.)
Mike, your issues seem to be with the union (FA) leadership, which tends to be highly "pragmatic" (or perhaps "realistic," as in realpolitik, perhaps to a fault).
Mathur must be replaced with a competent and honest leader, but that won't happen (probably) any time soon, owing to the complex right-wing politics of those who dominate the board.
But it does appear that things will be change re the constitution of the board. It is unlikely that anyone will be in a position entirely to control that, but it is almost bound to make things better for the district.
Great idea, 11:29. The public is too stupid to pay attention, especially to something complicated like public education. Better to turn the decision over who governs the academic community to the academic community itself. That will sure work.
Do you people even hear yourselves anymore? Or are you so insulated that your own version of reality has set in?
Was that some sort of counter argument, 12:23? Or were you proving the point originally made?
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