tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post8856822016067813928..comments2024-03-05T09:00:51.695-08:00Comments on DISSENT the BLOG: June board meeting: pledge sans flag (or "Night of the Kumquat")Rebel Girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00695051285325585662noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-67122345881832376002014-07-17T08:18:29.285-07:002014-07-17T08:18:29.285-07:00is that part of the women's rear entry program...is that part of the women's rear entry program?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-90890592258383167302014-07-01T13:49:45.900-07:002014-07-01T13:49:45.900-07:00But this may not be the point Doug was making, but...But this may not be the point Doug was making, but as of now, the counselors already are trying to hold on to teaching courses that are not actually counseling....(there was an attempt at trying to teach a psychology course and then of course their hold on teaching women's studies as was reported on DtB awhile back). This is something people need to be paying attention to because it is not in the best interest of students but rather the counselors' status.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-63198040961327523682014-07-01T10:25:56.069-07:002014-07-01T10:25:56.069-07:00Perhaps Doug did not make his point clearly, but h...Perhaps Doug did not make his point clearly, but he was certainly not trying to say that counselors should teach other classes outside of counseling. His point, however poorly made, was simply that if the counselors were put on a different calendar they would not be able to teach counseling courses as their working schedule might not fit into one of the regularly scheduled semesters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-30744939696196331452014-06-30T21:08:12.297-07:002014-06-30T21:08:12.297-07:00My account of Doug's presentation unmistakably...My account of Doug's presentation unmistakably suggests that it was pretty unsuccessful. If he had a point (beyond reference to allegedly problematic attitudes toward counselors), I don't know what it was.Roy Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107385463457119300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-57640723178460230042014-06-30T18:54:35.580-07:002014-06-30T18:54:35.580-07:00What was the message then that Doug was trying to ...What was the message then that Doug was trying to get across? As faculty, I think it's important to understand what our colleagues want....while they have very different academic training than other faculty and while this is not the way that universities approach counseling (but seems to link us more with the K12 system), I am interested in their argument. I would think its important that they recognize their areas of expertise and stick with counseling courses however (ie not try to teach courses outside their fields of expertise in order to keep their faculty status.). I would think that would work against them in gaining support of other faculty....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-38534690602373688972014-06-30T18:11:43.929-07:002014-06-30T18:11:43.929-07:00I was at the meeting....If Doug was attempting to ...I was at the meeting....If Doug was attempting to get that message across, he failed....miserably. He may be a great counselor, but he never stayed on message and his whole point was lost on the board and the audience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-40815849023467252422014-06-30T14:57:09.750-07:002014-06-30T14:57:09.750-07:00I am distinguishing between them because Doug and ...I am distinguishing between them because Doug and others distinguish between them, noting that non-counselor faculty sometimes have particular attitudes toward counselors that are arguably unfortunate. Naturally, I am aware that counselors teach. I am also aware that, to many faculty, counselors <i>should not teach</i> (for a variety of reasons I won't go into here). <br />If you were a more careful reader, 9:53, you'd know that I do not endorse (nor do I reject) the attitudes to which Doug refers. Not here, anyway.Roy Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107385463457119300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-38280576237918218662014-06-30T09:53:48.860-07:002014-06-30T09:53:48.860-07:00Roy, why are you distinguishing between counselors...Roy, why are you distinguishing between counselors are "regular" faculty. I assume by regular you mean instructional or classroom faculty. Counselors are faculty, period. And yes, the issue has to do with a proposal by the district to change the schedule of counselors so they do not work during the regularly contracted year (fall/spring terms). This is what Doug was addressing in his comments. This would make it difficult for counselors to continue to teach as part of their load. It would also hurt students by having less counselors available for them to see during the school year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-41130284746106434432014-06-29T23:06:02.605-07:002014-06-29T23:06:02.605-07:00At IVC in the ' 80's counselors were class...At IVC in the ' 80's counselors were classified employees.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-64075059676450877832014-06-25T10:59:36.632-07:002014-06-25T10:59:36.632-07:00I'm not sure, but I think the district's c...I'm not sure, but I think the district's contract proposal involved treating counselor schedules as distinct from regular faculty schedules. I think that's what the hubbub was about. But, yes, there is some talk around the state about reclassifying counselors, though I don't know how serious it is. Obviously, there's always a certain amount of grumbling among non-counselor faculty about the counselors. At IVC, they have a reputation for counseling students to avoid difficult classes, taking short cuts, that sort of thing. Some feel strongly that regular faculty and counselors sometimes work at cross purposes. Roy Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107385463457119300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-5057323649719426082014-06-25T09:04:30.846-07:002014-06-25T09:04:30.846-07:00What is the history of the counselors feeling like...What is the history of the counselors feeling like they will lose faculty status? Is there talk at the state level or are other community colleges making this change? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-91126947054912424542014-06-25T08:12:40.715-07:002014-06-25T08:12:40.715-07:00I like kumquats. I like kumquats. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com