tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post7495698573667774695..comments2024-03-05T09:00:51.695-08:00Comments on DISSENT the BLOG: Irvine Valley College: Commencement PicsRebel Girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00695051285325585662noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-45887683525973224732013-06-04T20:38:21.788-07:002013-06-04T20:38:21.788-07:00As far as I know, he isn't gone just yet.As far as I know, he isn't gone just yet.Roy Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107385463457119300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-72759643944546434332013-06-04T14:03:19.241-07:002013-06-04T14:03:19.241-07:00Who cares. The wig salesman is gone.Who cares. The wig salesman is gone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-51280441890095059082013-06-04T11:52:06.731-07:002013-06-04T11:52:06.731-07:00No word yet on the Cabrillo jobNo word yet on the Cabrillo jobRoy Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107385463457119300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-27122571888761337582013-06-04T10:04:38.106-07:002013-06-04T10:04:38.106-07:00Did Burnett get the gig up north? That is why he ...Did Burnett get the gig up north? That is why he was so agreeable about the prayer thing this year. When you google "Todd Burnett" and "Saddleback" the third thing that pops up is a newspaper article about him "imposing" prayer" at the Commencement. He had to get out in front of that one. Probably blamed it on the board. Glen is going nowhere so he doesn't have to get out in front of anyone. I think an earlier commentator was right - Glen is still trying to please Tom Fuentes. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-51419270470565708432013-06-04T08:15:12.269-07:002013-06-04T08:15:12.269-07:00Great photos, as always!Great photos, as always!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-63868294417242079082013-06-03T16:13:43.841-07:002013-06-03T16:13:43.841-07:00How about we spend $1M on a special prayer center ...How about we spend $1M on a special prayer center like UCI did?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-91012697989644985572013-06-03T15:25:40.979-07:002013-06-03T15:25:40.979-07:00Can I make the religion diversity wheel in order t...Can I make the religion diversity wheel in order to ensure representation of all? (I am a Wiccan.) Who gets to spin it? Glen? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-25594102298726843892013-06-03T14:13:53.651-07:002013-06-03T14:13:53.651-07:0012:37, what you are suggesting should be brought t...12:37, what you are suggesting should be brought to the attention to the college commencement organizing committee (per college) as a proposal. They could hardly refuse to consider it.Roy Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107385463457119300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-18458161118163813592013-06-03T12:37:01.124-07:002013-06-03T12:37:01.124-07:00Maybe if we have to have prayer at Commencement we...Maybe if we have to have prayer at Commencement we could have Muslim services next year just to be more representative of our student body and rotate the religion diversity wheel. <br />IVC isn't a Christian college, so I'm still unclear on why there are any references to gods in commencement. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-37657057609274676232013-06-03T12:13:35.837-07:002013-06-03T12:13:35.837-07:00I agree, 11:57, but I would reject an attempted ce...I agree, 11:57, but I would reject an attempted censorship of a speaker's speech. The emphasis of the critics (of the district/college practices re religion) has always been official prayer (or invocations of the Lord) at events. If, however, a guest speaker's honest message to students includes references to Jesus (et al.), then so be it. I think they should be given a copy of the settlement agreement (this is the status quo) so that they understand the issues involved. If they decide to refer to Jesus anyway, then, well, that's just the way it is. I can easily live with that.Roy Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107385463457119300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-22976205564103881642013-06-03T12:05:54.711-07:002013-06-03T12:05:54.711-07:0011:41: solution to WHAT exactly? (You write like m...11:41: solution to WHAT exactly? (You write like many of my students.) The lawsuit made no reference to student speakers, though I suppose one could interpret the <i>settlement</i> as covering all speeches during district or college events. (Have you read it? Likely not.) You're cherry-picking to make your case appear stronger than it is. The focus has always been on official prayers, such as invocations at the start of commencement ceremonies. In the settlement, the district agreed to leave the matter of prayer to the organizing entity for the occasion (commencement)--with the proviso that that entity (typically, the planning committee) would not be directed by anyone outside its own membership. Those who are selected to speak are given a copy of the settlement verbiage to read.Roy Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107385463457119300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-27038528510320382742013-06-03T11:57:53.881-07:002013-06-03T11:57:53.881-07:00When it comes to a student making a speech, the pr...When it comes to a student making a speech, the preeminent concerns should be maturity, good manners, and respect for the occasion. To inject a personal religious invocation at a secular gathering like a graduation ceremony is, well, rude. The speaker can save such commentary for when it's appropriate--at his/her church, family gathering, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-38263746885720345762013-06-03T11:41:17.192-07:002013-06-03T11:41:17.192-07:00Then what is your solution, Roy? Is it to have adm...Then what is your solution, Roy? Is it to have admin prohibit student speakers from invoking their religion and thanking their deity? Maybe a new policy of some kind? What would you propose?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-56538722029238299242013-06-02T20:59:08.092-07:002013-06-02T20:59:08.092-07:007:49, people like you are the reason the world suc...7:49, people like you are the reason the world sucks as bad as it does.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-56045899925484379572013-06-02T19:49:35.991-07:002013-06-02T19:49:35.991-07:003:21: well, it's just a job, then you go home ...3:21: well, it's just a job, then you go home and have your own life. Jeez!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-66708064232758011752013-06-01T14:08:35.446-07:002013-06-01T14:08:35.446-07:00I checked on this "heathen" business. It...I checked on this "heathen" business. It turns out that Nancy "agreed" with constituents who referred to me and other plaintiffs (in Westphal v. Wagner) as heathens.Roy Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107385463457119300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-88296283015090127382013-06-01T13:19:54.943-07:002013-06-01T13:19:54.943-07:00Among the Ilitterati, it is code for "heathen...Among the <i>Ilitterati</i>, it is code for "heathen." Did I ever mention that Nancy Padberg refers to me as a "heathen"? ("Heathen" is code, too.) --And after all that effort I taken to make her look good on this blog!Roy Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107385463457119300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-11959376578981010102013-06-01T11:15:55.675-07:002013-06-01T11:15:55.675-07:00What's an "antitheist"?What's an "antitheist"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-33707770532120500532013-06-01T10:37:15.543-07:002013-06-01T10:37:15.543-07:00Is that supposed to be funny? Stupid, stupid troll...Is that supposed to be funny? Stupid, stupid troll.Roy Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107385463457119300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-82074389120361830422013-06-01T10:14:58.349-07:002013-06-01T10:14:58.349-07:00It is printed on our currency, "In God We Tru...It is printed on our currency, "In God We Trust." With your logic shouldn't all you antitheists be handing all your money to the theists?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-3731007518443298062013-05-31T13:42:13.870-07:002013-05-31T13:42:13.870-07:00But I'm being driven up the wall! How did he ...But I'm being driven up the wall! How did he know? (Nice view from here, though.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-80938603996520631812013-05-31T10:44:01.938-07:002013-05-31T10:44:01.938-07:00Don't feed the TrollDon't feed the TrollRoy Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107385463457119300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-4844817790711980652013-05-31T10:43:16.603-07:002013-05-31T10:43:16.603-07:00Yeah - that's the spirit! Tell it like it is b...Yeah - that's the spirit! Tell it like it is brother.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-29746339462162622112013-05-31T10:38:22.664-07:002013-05-31T10:38:22.664-07:00It's just driving you people up a wall that a ...It's just driving you people up a wall that a student invoked and thanked our lord, Jesus Christ and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-72257018165160664782013-05-30T11:42:58.475-07:002013-05-30T11:42:58.475-07:00Well-put, Roy. I have to cringe and gasp at the a...Well-put, Roy. I have to cringe and gasp at the arrogance and out-of-it-ness and ignorance and disrespect and incivility exhibited by both administrators and students at IVC on occasions like this. References to the lord at a secular ceremony inclusive of many faiths, and (let's hope) atheists? GTFU, indeed!--MAH <br /><br />p.s. Gorgeous photos!--especially the painterly one of the little girl toward the end. 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