tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post5064681431109098666..comments2024-03-05T09:00:51.695-08:00Comments on DISSENT the BLOG: Bring your NoDoz: board meeting Monday nightRebel Girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00695051285325585662noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-34967706764688059172011-12-06T21:30:50.042-08:002011-12-06T21:30:50.042-08:00Move Werle to the VPI position permanently. That w...Move Werle to the VPI position permanently. That way we don’t have to worry about another “hot shot” lose canon coming in to be the new VPIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-71334428954277678532011-12-05T17:43:57.296-08:002011-12-05T17:43:57.296-08:00I feel Ike the focus here on the meaning of civili...I feel Ike the focus here on the meaning of civility is off-base. Has anyone really said that you can't question administrative decisions? That would be entirely unreasonable to expect. <br /><br />But can't our tone and words be civil while we question decisions? Intimidation and name calling cannot be acceptable in what should be a professional environment. <br /><br />I think the problem is a few, but administrators don't want to deal with those few, so we all need to be a part of the civility exercise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-84789095255046911622011-12-05T11:36:51.939-08:002011-12-05T11:36:51.939-08:00I recommend the following:
Do not renew the VPI&#...I recommend the following:<br /><br />Do not renew the VPI's contract.<br />Move Werle to the VPI position temporarily. <br />Eliminate the Dean of Ed Programs position.<br /><br />Save money and solve some big problems at the same time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-88146492695078774212011-12-04T13:46:44.862-08:002011-12-04T13:46:44.862-08:00That particular guy is gone -- but yes they toler...That particular guy is gone -- but yes they tolerated his actions because he was one of them. That's how it goes. They treated him very, uh, "civilly."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-58196864203277067672011-12-04T13:30:48.586-08:002011-12-04T13:30:48.586-08:00The worst teacher I have ever had! He plays games ...The worst teacher I have ever had! He plays games and has a attitude when he teaches. Other times he trys to be funny in class. He will trick you while teaching. He hates on women and is very prejudice towards most people. Bottom line....he SUCKS!!!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-63096180903258905152011-12-04T13:20:50.588-08:002011-12-04T13:20:50.588-08:00If you have difficulty in math and want to learn, ...If you have difficulty in math and want to learn, don't take his class. Ninety percent of the time his back is to the class and when he does address the students, he only faces the left half of the classroom. By the way, he doesn't like questions. He'll most likely make fun of you for not knowing the answer, especially if you are female.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-46718996839941118732011-12-04T13:17:10.598-08:002011-12-04T13:17:10.598-08:00It is a historical and open fact - at least at IVC...It is a historical and open fact - at least at IVC - that the admin and the deans excused inexcusable behavior from male staff. Their lack of action over the years only encouraged those boors to act out even more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-42230729750556662582011-12-04T12:42:14.343-08:002011-12-04T12:42:14.343-08:00I'd like to know more from the blogger who pos...I'd like to know more from the blogger who possted about the negative comments about women. I'm unaware of it, but not surprised.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-38310715567524483472011-12-04T10:26:25.558-08:002011-12-04T10:26:25.558-08:00In Stanley Milgram's discussion of his famous ...In Stanley Milgram's discussion of his famous "obedience" experiments, he lists several reasons given for why the subjects, who fully believed that they were administering painful, dangerous, and lethal shocks to the "students" they were instructing, simply went along and didn't protest. One of them was that people didn't want to be *discourteous,* or to *hurt the scientist's feelings*! <br /><br />Better to kill, torture, or ruin lives than to be "rude"?----well, no.<br /><br />So I agree with those who find the recent focus on "civility" on your campus dangerous and offensive.<br /><br />MAHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-7419178594618466152011-12-03T23:48:51.526-08:002011-12-03T23:48:51.526-08:00"We've got ruthless administrators (at le..."We've got ruthless administrators (at least one of 'em, at my college) messing with people, hurting them, making lives miserable." <br /><br />That's right. And when the victims object or resist, they're deemed "uncivil" and subject to the punishments being presently concocted by the civility police, perhaps commitment to an insane asylum as in the old Soviet Union.<br /><br />When is his contract up? For goodness sake, we need to make sure the board does not renew it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-54448331855827037142011-12-03T17:25:32.962-08:002011-12-03T17:25:32.962-08:00IVC is a perfect image of what a college looked li...IVC is a perfect image of what a college looked like a few decades ago, back when the senate had little if any power. I liked it better then. I didn't hold the misconception that faculty had a say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-55406668478672410342011-12-03T14:37:45.629-08:002011-12-03T14:37:45.629-08:003. What are examples of model behaviors related to...3. What are examples of model behaviors related to these values?<br /><br />Er, NOT forcing your religious views on people in a public forum?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-25939634921122118222011-12-03T09:43:28.603-08:002011-12-03T09:43:28.603-08:00Yes - a communication policy is in order. Perhaps...Yes - a communication policy is in order. Perhaps the perceived "incivility" comes from a lack of communication. There is little true, honest open dialogue on campus - just enthusiastic press releases and emails and meetings where orders are given. People in power tell us what is best (and what they want us to know - not what we need to know)- and to our shame, most of us just nod our heads.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-63999324535798031472011-12-03T08:55:50.811-08:002011-12-03T08:55:50.811-08:00I would rather have a communication policy first -...I would rather have a communication policy first - then, if needed a civility policy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-15022058931260120722011-12-03T08:40:02.040-08:002011-12-03T08:40:02.040-08:001. What have been some of the issues and challenge...1. What have been some of the issues and challenges at IVC related to civility in the recent past?<br /><br />Answer: How about certain male faculty and staff members district wide who often and publicly berated and demeaned female staff, faculty and students in the classroom and in meetings? And were protected for years and years by those men still in power? The complaints of the women laughed or shrugged off OR WORSE acknowledged but then ignored.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-90107565146044668482011-12-03T07:30:16.622-08:002011-12-03T07:30:16.622-08:00Mike Carona was very civil And they were very civ...Mike Carona was very civil And they were very civil to him. See how it all works out?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-92081379976548160982011-12-02T21:44:01.105-08:002011-12-02T21:44:01.105-08:00Lying and manipulating facts? That's considere...Lying and manipulating facts? That's considered uncivil?<br />Gosh, isn't that what every one of those people running for the Party's (you name it) nominee for President does every single day? And we all know it. And we applaud. And we would never condemn. That's because we're civil.<br />And we deserve the government we get.Roy Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107385463457119300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-60269408477045478972011-12-02T21:43:21.720-08:002011-12-02T21:43:21.720-08:00What are some proactive things IVC can do to foste...What are some proactive things IVC can do to foster civility?<br /><br />The admin at the college needs to do what they pretend to do. Be honest, open, transparent, and be accepting of diversity of opinion. Foster and protect academic freedom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-90075809373653904442011-12-02T21:39:52.011-08:002011-12-02T21:39:52.011-08:00Related to civility, what behaviors are considered...Related to civility, what behaviors are considered unacceptable?<br /><br />Lying and manipulating the facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-10546591421736557372011-12-02T21:37:59.781-08:002011-12-02T21:37:59.781-08:00The only tool left is our uncivil disobedience.The only tool left is our uncivil disobedience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-11423263261077277802011-12-02T21:37:23.228-08:002011-12-02T21:37:23.228-08:00There is nothing wrong with encouraging civility. ...There is nothing wrong with encouraging civility. We could all use a big dose of it. It just seems so unimportant in comparison to the very real issues underlying the problems at IVC. It is like putting talcum powder on a festering, gangrenous wound. Say please and thank you, and you'll feel better in the mornin'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-55947664326009860222011-12-02T21:32:32.930-08:002011-12-02T21:32:32.930-08:00We've got ruthless administrators (at least on...We've got ruthless administrators (at least one of 'em, at my college) messing with people, hurting them, making lives miserable. We've got the usual little ambitious monsters, putting their dreams of office and power before important responsibilities, doing a poor job, and that hurts people too. We've got a system in which virtually every group surrenders before the SLO mandate, going along that vast waste of resources and time, like polite "contributors to society." And on and on. <br />So, yeah, let's stop and talk about <i>civility</i>. Civility rule #1: <i>nobody gets to call a spade a spade</i>. That simply won't do. Much too unpleasant, that. <br />I remember when John Williams retired. I kept thinking: OK, so now they'll give him awards and dinners and such, even though he's a total rat bastard--and by then nobody with half a brain could deny it. And that's what they did. <br />And I have no doubt that some people who noticed me looking at John with contempt in that big dumb room with all the cake and punch and smiling faces--I have no doubt that I was a very uncivil fellow and that they judged me so. <br />Oh my.Roy Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107385463457119300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-40292710564315646302011-12-02T20:26:07.424-08:002011-12-02T20:26:07.424-08:00Why is it wrong to encourage civility? We could ce...Why is it wrong to encourage civility? We could certainly use more of it. Problem is, those who are most uncivil don't think they have a problem, and their supervisors don't seem to want to go through the trouble of telling them. <br /><br />We have some very weak administrators.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-63690168553191199882011-12-02T19:47:40.822-08:002011-12-02T19:47:40.822-08:00"Civility" is a way to control and disco..."Civility" is a way to control and discourage robust discussion and criticism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-92109585966915719602011-12-02T18:59:14.377-08:002011-12-02T18:59:14.377-08:00The working group on civility (at IVC) is distribu...The working group on civility (at IVC) is distributing these questions among members:<br /><br />Questions to Ponder in Preparation for the December 16, 2011 Workshop<br /><br />1. What have been some of the issues and challenges at IVC related to civility in the recent past?<br /><br />2. What are the core values related to civility that the IVC community shares?<br /><br />3. What are examples of model behaviors related to these values?<br /><br />4. What are the (minimal) behavioral expectations related to civility as a result of these core values?<br /><br />5. Related to civility, what behaviors are considered unacceptable?<br /><br />6. What are some proactive things IVC can do to foster civility?<br /><br />7. What are some ways to deal with incivility when it occurs on campus?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com