tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post1845821959394381322..comments2024-03-05T09:00:51.695-08:00Comments on DISSENT the BLOG: Next, they'll pick Robert Rizzo for the union "inspiration" prizeRebel Girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00695051285325585662noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-44584616696034567012012-08-21T20:48:05.942-07:002012-08-21T20:48:05.942-07:007:52 am: I am not a faculty member or employee of ...7:52 am: I am not a faculty member or employee of SOCCCD (or, for that matter, anyplace else). I am a lowly Saddleback student. Yes, there are people who read this blog regularly who are mere students. <br /><br />If the union or the PAC or whomever would allow me a vote, I would gladly show up in summer, winter, at midnight, whenever. I despise Williams, Mathur, and that whole crew. And yes, I think the union, as a whole, lacks balls. There are a number of fine folks in the leadership and of course many remarkable instructors in both colleges. But the union as a whole has not shown a lot of spine in the recent past.I fear no fishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-64475506087568178052012-08-20T19:57:17.402-07:002012-08-20T19:57:17.402-07:00I think it might be useful for people to not only ...I think it might be useful for people to not only contact their rep but also send an email to Paula Jacobs the new union president. <br /><br />pjacobs@saddleback.edu<br /><br />A simple short message is best.<br /><br />I agree with Roy that no endorsement in this race is the best choice. No one, except perhaps Lang, wants him back on the board and we risk our relationships with the other trustees - and the community - by backing such a disgraced, unethical politician. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-67369938043618934662012-08-20T16:03:29.660-07:002012-08-20T16:03:29.660-07:007:52, the PAC is not the union in the way that the...7:52, the PAC is not the union in the way that the Courses Committee is not the Academic Senate, which is to say that the PAC is indeed the union, insofar as the representative body votes to accept its recommendations. Luckily, as in the case of the Senate, the "union" has yet to vote. We have about three weeks to capture the hearts and minds of the membership.Roy Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107385463457119300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-63661650622438271282012-08-20T15:55:45.439-07:002012-08-20T15:55:45.439-07:003:06, I describe Williams as he is: an incompetent...3:06, I describe Williams as he is: an incompetent and corrupt politician, a person who puts his own interests and comfort over the welfare of others and the community at large. You might read those two grand jury reports, if you would like some detail.<br />Please tell us, oh brave brave "anonymous," how exactly have I treated people badly over the years? Please be specific, and back up your claims. Roy Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107385463457119300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-55559139980856235112012-08-20T15:06:14.012-07:002012-08-20T15:06:14.012-07:00You describe Williams as if he murdered someone. P...You describe Williams as if he murdered someone. Perhaps this 15 year wrath (you describe) is the product of your arrogance and how you've treated others over the years, Roy...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-45902202726017065762012-08-20T14:25:31.299-07:002012-08-20T14:25:31.299-07:00I wouldn't worry about Mathur returning to the...I wouldn't worry about Mathur returning to the SOCCCD any time soon. He's busy running for Laguna Hills City Council. He has a good chance of being elected. If he is, he won't be on our board. Roy Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107385463457119300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-53374758888049324462012-08-20T12:59:37.716-07:002012-08-20T12:59:37.716-07:00Williams was also a Mathur supporter....the return...Williams was also a Mathur supporter....the return of Mathur?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-9901697663724241152012-08-20T08:22:45.605-07:002012-08-20T08:22:45.605-07:00Well said, 7:52.
Make a difference if you want on...Well said, 7:52.<br /><br />Make a difference if you want one. Show up. You can't be counted if you are not there. <br /><br />(Ken is full of delusions.) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-49842350043801441622012-08-20T07:52:39.398-07:002012-08-20T07:52:39.398-07:00It's my understanding that the "PAC"...It's my understanding that the "PAC" is NOT the "union" - but a subset of people who are willing to serve in the summer. This summer that subset was dominated by a number of people from Saddleback with alliances with Williams and old grudges. The PAC has the power to recommend - the Rep Council to approve or not. <br /><br />If you don't understand how the process works - well, maybe that is why the process goes so badly sometimes. It's a democratic process but like any democratic process it is only represents its participants - not "no shows" who complain after the fact. We can't count votes that are not there at the time of the vote. We can't. It's not enough to think good thought - you (or your representative) has to be in the room. <br /><br />People who complain about spinelessness should show up with their spines sometime, especially in the summer. Make a difference if you want one. <br /><br />And that "rational bunch" on the board was brought to you in great part by your union and the people willing to show up with their spines and time and money to do the work to put them there. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-67919673174848624832012-08-20T07:33:32.430-07:002012-08-20T07:33:32.430-07:00Idiotic. Just as we've started to get a ration...Idiotic. Just as we've started to get a rational bunch of folks on the board, the union decides to take a giant leap backwards? WTF is wrong with these people?<br /><br />Don't answer, I already know: spineless.I fear no fishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-33154067911355059662012-08-20T07:18:25.752-07:002012-08-20T07:18:25.752-07:00How many pensions does Williams have? How many pensions does Williams have? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-90029688946781819032012-08-20T07:10:15.873-07:002012-08-20T07:10:15.873-07:00Nope. Not sad. Pathetic.Nope. Not sad. Pathetic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-3732856228408585582012-08-20T06:25:18.886-07:002012-08-20T06:25:18.886-07:00Ken Woodward!
I thought he was better than this....Ken Woodward! <br /><br />I thought he was better than this. He seemed to be, for a while anyway. Too bad. What a sell out. I guess he'd called it "pragmatic." Ha!<br /><br />You know Ken is a big fan of British musician and political activist Billy Bragg who, no doubt, would have some choice words about a situation like this one. <br /><br />I've always wondered how some square their actions with their ideals. What does Ken tell himself as he dances around his kitchen to "Waiting for the Great Leap Forward"? <br /><br />Very sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-45604609911839364582012-08-20T06:09:35.532-07:002012-08-20T06:09:35.532-07:00This is so depressing.
People need to step up. ...This is so depressing. <br /><br />People need to step up. Many times the reps don't even make the meetings even though this is part of their service hour. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-78355640472956739102012-08-20T05:31:54.078-07:002012-08-20T05:31:54.078-07:00I can't imagine any trustee wants him back on ...I can't imagine any trustee wants him back on the board, even Lang. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-172104218672744062012-08-19T18:56:49.227-07:002012-08-19T18:56:49.227-07:00The sad realities may be that Williams will return...The sad realities may be that Williams will return: can't change the stripes of some critters. John, I doubt, has changed much since he muffed up the appointed and elected posts he held in the county. Wonder what he thinks about the messes he made? How can he atone? By coming to the BOT, perhaps he thinks so.<br /><br />Rigid, often angry is the guy I remember.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com