tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post5495462591505793973..comments2024-03-05T09:00:51.695-08:00Comments on DISSENT the BLOG: One step forward, two steps back: Roquemore's clueless announcementRebel Girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00695051285325585662noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-55439043776600236862012-03-05T12:54:34.889-08:002012-03-05T12:54:34.889-08:00Excuses, excuses. Sounds like someone is afraid to...Excuses, excuses. Sounds like someone is afraid to confront the people he’s been talking trash on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-13495204624673269042012-03-05T10:46:41.299-08:002012-03-05T10:46:41.299-08:008:49
no one has time for these lengthy meetings
...8:49<br /><br />no one has time for these lengthy meetings<br /><br />civility also improves when there is at least a recognition that it is not just the faculty who are finding it difficult to find time for such meetings but its difficult for all college professionals to find time anymore--even classified employees.<br /><br />there may have been no intention whatsover in your comment but sometimes some people at this college need to wake up and realize that everyone EVERYONE is very, very busy running and managing and tending to our college and of course teaching our students.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-76914465049181967702012-03-05T08:49:01.391-08:002012-03-05T08:49:01.391-08:00Okay, so now they've decided to "open&quo...Okay, so now they've decided to "open" the process. But who has the time and energy to be part of this 5 and a half hour meeting? I do not. I have papers to grade, class prep and other committee work to do. <br /><br />Sometimes I think administration is out of step with the day-to-day responsibilities of faculty. <br /><br />I agree -we have policies that already address the most egregious behavior cited in their initial report. Yes, those policies are only selectively enforced. THAT is the problem. "INCIVIL" enforcement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-67160257916757519872012-03-05T08:40:49.549-08:002012-03-05T08:40:49.549-08:00Dennis Gordon is correct.
While I do not know if ...Dennis Gordon is correct.<br /><br />While I do not know if CSEA and CTA members were originally invited to the Civility Workgroup and in fairness to process--this may have been a mere oversight--but Dennis Gordon did specifically include a well respected officer of CSEA to attend the Civility Workgroup as one of his appointees. This person was unable to attend. <br /><br />While I have been concerned about the issue of "appointees" to this work group, I do credit Dennis Gordon and the Classified Senate officers for including a CSEA rep as part of their process of selection.<br /><br />This was not required but a fine decision.<br /><br />I would love the ability to not be anonymous. Really. I am a fairly brave employee. I am simply wise enough to know that I cannot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-56412118939059434672012-03-05T01:24:48.020-08:002012-03-05T01:24:48.020-08:00Thanks for the comment, oh brave, brave "Anon...Thanks for the comment, oh brave, brave "Anonymous."Roy Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107385463457119300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-50089187318465855972012-03-05T00:58:59.462-08:002012-03-05T00:58:59.462-08:00Roy, you’re so full of it.
You provoke people by ...Roy, you’re so full of it.<br /><br />You provoke people by defaming others then worry about retribution. The paranoia is yours. If there is any kind of retribution it’s the resentful sewage you spew in your blog. IVC would be a healthier productive place without your garbage. I am celebrating when you’re gone. You bring shame to this community, every employee and every student in this college.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-80018244740643245952012-03-04T21:12:36.187-08:002012-03-04T21:12:36.187-08:00I agree that 1:44's comment is difficult to un...I agree that 1:44's comment is difficult to understand--I do wish people would explain their explanations! <br />Dennis, I sympathize with your objection to that person's "clueless" remark, made by a person who doesn't give their name. I'm often the target of such remarks myself. <br /> I do wish people would think through their comments and consider alternatives to broad swipes at categories of persons. Often, they clearly don't.<br />There seem to be many employees who are genuinely concerned about retribution. Perhaps this reflects paranoia; but I'm not sure their fear is always unreasonable. <br />DtB is valuable as a venue that allows employees to address issues without fear of retribution--but, of course, only if they remain anonymous. <br />We work at a college and district where retribution and other ruthless actions have occurred in the past. Perhaps it can be hard to appreciate how awful it is to be on the receiving end of such conduct if one has never been targeted. <br />Clearly, this venue (DtB) is not perfect, and if we could make it more perfect, we would. In the meantime, we can hope that people like you will respond to comments that you truly believe are mistaken or unfair. <br />And let me repeat (I've said this many times): if readers suppose that a comment is mistaken or unfair, you can always contact me (Roy Bauer) and explain the situation. People have done that many times (usually non-anonymously), and I always take such communications seriously. We are committed to fairness and accuracy. Help us to secure them.<br />I'm often tempted to insist on non-anonymous remarks. Believe me. The problem is that there likely really are employees and others out there that rightly feel that, in speaking out openly, they expose themselves to retaliation. <br />There is a corrective to unfair/untrue remarks: point them out clearly. Make the case to the contrary. Point us to where we need to look. Etc.Roy Bauerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10107385463457119300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-7929204662918707742012-03-04T15:22:09.057-08:002012-03-04T15:22:09.057-08:00Dear 1:44pm - Your response is confusing...I will ...Dear 1:44pm - Your response is confusing...I will try to translate your shorthand. If an LLR is a labor relations representative, our CSEA representative on the Civility workgroup was the Chief Job Steward for our chapter. I have found her to be both knowledgable and supportive to our members. If you have major concerns about the civility workgroup and any outcomes, I encourage you to attend the meeting...speak up, voice you opinions/concerns. That is the reason the meeting is open to the entire campus. On another note,calling CSEA e-board members "clueless" while remaining anonymous is the type of uncivil name-calling behavior that we need to address as a campus community. We are adults and should treat each other with respect.Dennis Gordonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-87653172203724863672012-03-04T13:44:35.965-08:002012-03-04T13:44:35.965-08:009:07, respectfully my facts are straight. The prof...9:07, respectfully my facts are straight. The professional LLR was never included in any of this. I'm sorry, but I've found e-borard members often clueless & more consumed with junketeering. Admin is exploiting the situation. The magnitude of such a proposition requires at least a professional.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-33787506808757891512012-03-03T23:08:09.427-08:002012-03-03T23:08:09.427-08:00How much more cluelessness are we going to take, f...How much more cluelessness are we going to take, folks? Time for a vote of no confidence in the clueless president and his VPI.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-2699893785720295472012-03-03T09:07:06.241-08:002012-03-03T09:07:06.241-08:00Dear 9:36 PM Please get your facts straight. A &q...Dear 9:36 PM Please get your facts straight. A "real classsified rep" (I believe you mean someone representing the union-CSEA) was included in the initial 5 individuals representing classified staff. Unfortunatley that individual was unable, due to personal reasons, to attend the working group meeting held in December. That individual is still representing the classified staff and union concerns as a member of the civility working group. The Classified Senate and CSEA both represent classified employees and will continue to work together for the benefit of our constituants. CSEA has the exclusive bargaining rights and reponsibilities for all classified staff. The Classified Senate represents the staff on governance issues, committees, taskforces and any other areas affecting the campus or classified employees.<br /><br />Dennis Gordon, President-Classified SenateDennis Gordonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-511340429074088842012-03-03T07:42:56.191-08:002012-03-03T07:42:56.191-08:00I think they scheduled it on a Friday to allow par...I think they scheduled it on a Friday to allow participation by faculty as the majority do not teach on Friday. Now people have no excuse not to attend and contribute.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-72770447986848086692012-03-02T22:48:21.822-08:002012-03-02T22:48:21.822-08:00Where are those employee (dis)satisfaction survey ...Where are those employee (dis)satisfaction survey results? Must be pretty negative if they won't release them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-81722809110386212662012-03-02T22:46:45.416-08:002012-03-02T22:46:45.416-08:00I have to give Rocky credit for opening up the dis...I have to give Rocky credit for opening up the discussion and including the faculty association. We need to ask how the notes we see from the meeting turned into a directive to report incivility in an employee's file. Who took that leap?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-42097719360428826852012-03-02T21:41:34.502-08:002012-03-02T21:41:34.502-08:00Resources, time, money - for what? Why not enforc...Resources, time, money - for what? Why not enforce the policies they have for a start, the ones they have overlooked for years because it was THEIR pals in the classrooms insulting female students and worse. Come on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-76469592058115309882012-03-02T21:36:36.972-08:002012-03-02T21:36:36.972-08:00The email made no mention of a real classified rep...The email made no mention of a real classified rep. being included to discuss admin's potential encroachments on our contract.<br /><br />The classified senate is not our exclusive rep. and thus, have no authority to be discussing any issues within the scope of our CBA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16908834.post-4714765282183582442012-03-02T19:38:48.265-08:002012-03-02T19:38:48.265-08:00oooh, action plan! (Can I wear tights?)oooh, action plan! (Can I wear tights?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com